Repeats Problem
Trying to understand why the repeats don't work on my file as I expected (attached).
Measure 3 has Play Count = 3, yet in playback it gets played only once. What am I missing?
Also, when I use the grand staff and have more than one line of music, how do I adjust the space between each line (i.e., between one pair of clefs and the next pair)? Probably not using the right terminology....
Thanks.
Wayne
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What am I missing?
From the handbook https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/voltas#volta-properties
It states, to specify the order of repeats:
Select the volta, and in "Repeat list" (Volta section of the Inspector) type in a number, or sequence of numbers separated by commas, to indicate the repeat(s) in which the volta is to be played.
Open Jojo's attachment, click on the volta(s), and note the 'Repeat list' in the Inspector.
...how do I adjust the space between each line...?
See the diagram here:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/layout-and-formatting#style-page
In reply to From the handbook https:/… by Jm6stringer
Thanks to you both. That did the trick.
My problem was that when I selected the volta, I was not seeing the Inspector panel associated with it. (Had to press F8 to display it.) I kept wondering why other posted scores displayed "1.2.3." on the volta; I couldn't see anywhere to set that--had to press F8 to see where to set it. And I had to go to the user manual to find out about F8.
FWIW, I might suggest that a future version of the app add "Inspect" to the menu that appears when user right-clicks on the volta. The only item in the "Volta Segment" drop-down that looked like it might be helpful to me was "Edit Element", but, of course, that's not what I want. So add an "Inspect" option to the "Volta Segment" menu, perhaps with a checkmark if the Inspector is already displayed. Since the Inspector was not already displayed for me, I could have clicked that option to display it. When I right-click any object in MuseScore, I'm expecting to be able to set any properties relevant to that object. In my case, without the Inspector displayed, I'm stuck unless I know about F8. So I think that this change would make the app more user-friendly. Just my two cents.
Thanks again.
Wayne
In reply to Thanks to you both. That… by whdyck
So you must have had disabled the Inspector at one time, as it does show by default :-).
Actuylly the Inspector was meant as a way to move away from any right-click context 'properties' menu, so adding it back there is probably not going to happen
In reply to So you must have had… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for the explanation.
If I disabled the Inspector, I did so unwittingly.
I understand what you're saying re the logic behind the Inspector, but I'm a software developer myself, and this interface could be better, IMHO. If the Inspector was intended to move away from a right-click 'properties' menu, then why is that menu still there?
As a user, if I see a right-click 'properties' menu, I'm expecting it to be a one-stop shop for editing anything related to that object. I don't recall ever seeing this division of properties in any other Windows app I've used. I'm not suggesting that all the Inspector properties be added into the right-click menu (since there are so many); however, just adding a single entry to indicate whether the Inspector is currently displayed would be a step forward, IMHO, for it would give the user a hint that there are more properties than those in the right-click 'properties' menu alone.
I don't think I'd encourage any move to get rid of the right-click menu altogether, however, since it's a standard feature of most apps.
That said, this is a very minor issue to me. I love this app and am very glad it's available for my use.
Thanks.
Wayne
In reply to Thanks for the explanation… by whdyck
There should not be any properties left in the context menus (there still are in a few places though). Those that still are available (and will remain) are Copy/Cut/Paste/Edit etc, nothing to do with properties.
But having a right-click properties that opens the Inspector (if closed) and transfers keybord/mouse focus there might be an option. What we don't want is another separate dialog doing the same thing, this kind of code duplication should get avoided
In reply to Thanks for the explanation… by whdyck
The right-click menu is mostly intended for faster access to things that that are also discoverable through "normal" means. So it's not the menu itself that has been mostly phased out, it's the need for modal dialogs to make settings that is. So, there used to be all these different dialogs that the only way to find was through the right-click menu (which many users, especially on Mac, never even knew existed because right-click isn't so much a thing for many). And modal dialogs of course have the downside of blocking all other user actions. The Inspector is a big lea forward because it is always visible (unless you the user close it) and can easily be found through the View menu, without needing to know about right-click, and best of all, it's not modal.
Not sure what "division of properties" you mean. Virtually all properties are in one place: the Inspector. There really shouldn't be any that are still hidden away in right0-click menus. That's not an uncommon use model at all. If you mean the very very small handful that are still in modal dialogs and only accessible via right-click, that indeed is a problem and we're gradually moving them all into the Inspector where they belong.
BTW, you mention you're a developer yourself - feel free to contribute your skills to help in this effort!
In reply to The right-click menu is… by Marc Sabatella
By "division of properties", I'm referring to the fact that the context menu for a Volta Segment displays an item called "Edit Element". When I see that, I'm expecting the opportunity to edit any of the properties about that element. Turns out that "Edit Element" allows me to change only the visual properties (with the other properties sitting in the Inspector)--so there's the division of properties. Having clicked the "Edit Element" option in the context menu and seeing nothing about repeats, it's not unreasonable to assume that there's nothing else about the volta that I can change.
In reply to By "division of properties",… by whdyck
Edit element is something different, it's just a slower* way to access the controls you normally get by double-clicking (handles for changing shape, etc - the sort of thing you don't do via the Inspector or a modal dialog). There's no way to do those things conveniently in the Inspector. This idea of modifying the shape of graphical objects by direct manipulation but also having properties you set via a dialog or other window - that's practically universal to all programs that deal with graphical objects. So it shouldn't be too surprising, and indeed, I don't recall anyone ever expressing confusion about this before.
*But, it wouldn't be worth keeping if it were just slower, the other reason to make it explicit is for accessible for those unable to use a mouse.
In reply to Thanks to you both. That… by whdyck
For the record, you don't have to know F8, you can also use the View menu. But as mentioned, the Inspector is there by default, and the startup tour explicitly describes its purpose, so in general new users should know about it. It's actually quite a bit more visible than burying something in a right-click menu, which many people don't know exist. Sounds like you must have closed the Inspector, probably another tour that popped up then and said "are you sure, you'll probably want it back soon, you can press F8 or use the View menu when the time comes" would help.
That said adding "Inspector" to the right-click menu isn't bad idea either.
In reply to For the record, you don't… by Marc Sabatella
"That said adding "Inspector" to the right-click menu isn't bad idea either."
Absolutely. From memory, I have seen this in Sibelius. In fact, it opens the relevant section of the Inspector. In short, it is not you who have to go to the Inspector for everything and for nothing (which has always annoyed me, and because I close the Inspector as much as possible to gain space and comfort), but it is the Inspector which comes to you!
"I don't think I'd encourage any move to get rid of the right-click menu altogether, however, since it's a standard feature of most apps."
Of course, thanks for pointing out this obvious fact.