Change tempo and key in the beginning of a measure.
Hello all!
Today I got stuck with change of keys and rhythm in the bars.
Claudio Riffero (and Shoiki) told me a trick that saved me on changes like in the example 1 (change of key with key signatures in the middle of a bar).
Now I discovered I have to go further:
1) The example 2 is the same change but at the beginning of a bar.
Can I have the key IN the bar (after the bar line, not before)?
2) Example 3 and 4 are same as example 1 & 2 but with a rhythm change. Can I have the key just after the beginning of the bar, then the alterations and the time signature?
Thank you all in advance and Happy Easter!
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Workaround...
In reply to Workaround... by Shoichi
Thank You!
So, you want the order to be Barline-Clef-Key Signature-Time Signature?
Click on the barlines, turnoff Automatic Placement and enter -3 for the X value. Click on the clefs, turn off Automatic Placement, enter +1.75 for the X value. Adjust the X-values to suit.
In reply to So, you want the order to be… by underquark
Thank you!
Did you see the explanations that your example 1 is incorrect according to standard rules of music notation? That is, you are not normally supposed to repeat the key signature after a mid-measure clef change? this would mislead the reader into thinking the key is changing as well, but it isn't in this example - only the clef is changing.
I don't understand your question about example 2. That is already correct as shown, this is exactly what MuseScore does by default: clef before the airline, key signature after.
Same with example 3 & 4. This is already correct by default: MuseScore already knows the correct order is clef, key, time signature. And it knows clef changes mid-system go before the barline, the rest goes after. You don't need to do anything special to make that happen. Your file as loaded is already correct, except for the spurious key signature you added in the middle of example 1.
In reply to Did you see the explanations… by Marc Sabatella
Hello Mark, I try to transcript a set of 17 century pieces, as accurate as possible.
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but I can produce more, all with repetition of the key signature after a key change).
They use to rewrite the key signatures after every key change.
This was universally done at that time, as I can show you with two examples attached (Marais
and Telemann
As you can see in the last line of Marais, the order he uses is (bar - key - key signature), not (key- bar - key signature). So I want to obtain it and the workarounds suggested by Shoichi and Underquark seems perfect. Tricky but they works. Thats fantastic.
In the example of Telemann you can also see, at the beginning of the row, old key with key signature, new key with the key signature refrain key change and key signature. (P.S.: The Siciliana words refere to the upper line, where the 12/8 starts. It's a copyist error).
Thank you for the answer. Happy to see that Musescore can do what I need.
Happy Easter!
In reply to Hello Mark, I try to… by Luca Piccini
Makes sense. I was missing the context, and didn't realize you were attempting to recreate a very specific older form of notation. I guess you are trying to create an urtext edition, or are writing specifically for specialists in this era?
In reply to Makes sense. I was missing… by Marc Sabatella
Right now I'm writing for myself, by the moment some scans of the originals (in quite yellow paper) are difficult to read after printed and the A3 size is really too big but A4 is too small.
But nevertheless I want to be as accurate as possible, for me and for my friends.
At the end I'll release the work into this database, just to thank the community for the help.