Last System Fill Threshold apply to end of sections
I notice when I make an album out of multiple sections that the final system of each section gets extended horizontally all the way to the right hand margin.
I think would be better for final system of each section to end early if doesn't meet the last system fill threshold, just like if it was at the end of a score.
I'm wondering what people's thoughts are.
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Agreed, last system theshold should be per section, not per score
Well, that makes sense for some uses of the section break feature, but not all. Might make sense to have this be a score style setting, or perhaps an attribute of the break itself.
Meanwhile, you can achieve the effect using a horizontal frame.
In reply to Well, that makes sense for by Marc Sabatella
IMHO it makes sense every time a section break is immediately followed by a(n elicit) page break
In reply to IMHO it makes sense every by Jojo-Schmitz
I can think of any number of potential uses for section breaks and page breaks where this would not be true. Again, much better to give explicit control over this rather than enforcing a behavior that only happens to be correct for certain use cases.
In reply to I can think of any number of by Marc Sabatella
What if add a bool property to each section break which could tell section breaks to obey threshold rule, disabled (false) by default.
I think case of making an album from scores should be enabled.
In reply to What if add a bool property by ericfontainejazz
Or enabled if followed by a page break, disabled otherwise
In reply to I can think of any number of by Marc Sabatella
Can you name any?
In reply to Can you name any? by Jojo-Schmitz
Exercise books.
Multi-movement works where the movements are short (potentially >1 per page) and page breaks are used only to optimize page turns.
Scores where section breaks are used for their playback or other properties more so than to denote separate movements.
Albums are but one use case for section breaks. But sure, I'd recommend setting this property by default for the "join" command.
In reply to Exercise by Marc Sabatella
Thanks ;-)
In reply to Exercise by Marc Sabatella
OK, well I'll make a feature request issue for property for section breaks and try to put a quick PR...I think will be fairly straightforward.
In reply to OK, well I'll make a feature by ericfontainejazz
FWIW, we could also consider whether or not to make the suppression of courtesy elements optional as well. I know that was most of the original point of having the section break element, but by now there are enough different attributes that it has become a more flexible facility. Maybe all of its different behaviors should be individually controllable.
In reply to FWIW, we could also consider by Marc Sabatella
seems Jojo already had a feature request, which I have renamed the title to #81856: Last system fill threshold apply to last measure of a section if bool property set for that section break, since I believe we all agree that this property should be optional and be able to be selectively set for each section break element.
In reply to seems Jojo already had a by ericfontainejazz
Funny, I had completely forgotten about that.
I think JoJo makes a good point: if section break ends with page break then apply the threshold rule. This works well considering that the album feature now has the option to add page breaks.
In reply to I think JoJo makes a good by ericfontainejazz
At least it make up for a good default
QUESTION:
The 31 separate scores I have individually saved (in order to place them in an album for a complete score sheet) all maintain "last system fill threshold" percentage i set them at nicely.
Then, I go into "File" and Choose "Album" in order to create an album from all 31 separate scores.
The Album creates nicely, however, the "last system fill threshold" percentage doesn't "transfer" or remain. It stretches out. Visually it is unattractive.
How do I fix this?
In reply to QUESTION: The 31 separate by lasebe72
Secondary question, why does it does this?
jj
In reply to Secondary question, why does by lasebe72
Because these are no longer the last system any more
In reply to QUESTION: The 31 separate by lasebe72
Insert horizontal frames
In reply to Insert horizontal frames by Jojo-Schmitz
And place the section break on the frame.
In reply to Insert horizontal frames by Jojo-Schmitz
here are the scores:
the first one shows "threshold" percentage working.
the second one shows the "threshold" percentage doesn't "transfer" into the Album.
Also, once in the Album the "last system fill threshold" doesn't work.
In reply to here are the scores: the by lasebe72
As mentioned, it *is* working - but as far as MuseScore is concerned there is only one last system for the whole piece, it doesn't apply to the last system of each section. If you want other systems to end early, use a horizontal frame as suggested above.
In reply to As mentioned, it *is* working by Marc Sabatella
ok. got the reasoning. can you write the steps I need to take? I am such a novice at this.
In reply to ok. got the reasoning. can by lasebe72
In your individual scores, Add / Frames / Append Horizontal Frame, then resize it as desired (so it takes up all the space to the right, leaving your measures the width you want them).
In reply to Insert horizontal frames by Jojo-Schmitz
JoJo,
Do I do this in the Album or in each individual score? I sent my scores because I tried the horizontal frames and It didnt work. but think that is because Im new at this.
Can you list the steps I need to take to do this?
In reply to JoJo, Do I do this in the by lasebe72
See above. Maybe append a horizontal frame to every score and resize to your likings prior to merging, rather than relying on the threshold.
In reply to See above. Maybe append a by Jojo-Schmitz
thanks jojo and marc. So yes I see how this works. great idea.
Marc the only way to do it in the individually saved scores, rather than in the album, is to "undo" the threshold (as I think jojo is suggesting) and then proceed.
However, jojo and marc, it will not "place" the frame where I need it to be placed. For example, when I highlight the final measure, (because that measure that is stretched...and I dont want that) it places the frame below it instead of at the end. So it is just an empty adjustable box.
could you take a look at the attachments I sent and see dynamics? its asking alot I know.
this isnt do or die, but I am an aesthetics kind of person.
In reply to thanks jojo and marc. So yes by lasebe72
You need to get rid of the line break after the last measure if you want the frame to appear ont he same line, which of course you do.
In reply to You need to get rid of the by Marc Sabatella
Well, for some unknown reason, without this particular line break in Verse 1 only, when it is merged into an album the notes jumble up. its strange.
Question: If I didn't want to go the "individually saved/album route, how would I repeat those verses in one document?
In reply to Well, for some unknown by lasebe72
wait...it worked..... Thank you Marc. I'll just have to do it to all 31...but wont take long.
In reply to JoJo, Do I do this in the by lasebe72
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In reply to QUESTION: The 31 separate by lasebe72
FWIW, this is another good example of a use case for something I described elsewhere: adding properties to breaks, one of which could be "don't fill".