Score won't except a second key signature

• Jun 9, 2014 - 16:50

When I drag the new key signature to the desired measure it disappears. As a note. Usually when dragging to a measure, the measure will darken about half way. It darkens at the far right edge of the measure on trying a key signature change.

Perhaps I should be a little more specific. When I release the left mouse button it's gone.

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• Jun 9, 2014 - 17:05

It's difficult to help unless you post the score you are having problems and *specific* steps to reproduce the problem - eg, which key signature are you dragging, to what measure are you dragging it, etc. But one thing I can say, if it isn't obvious, is that you must release the mouse button while the measure is highlighted.

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• Jun 9, 2014 - 17:08

can not be equal to the previous.
Try to drag another key signature. If it does not work attach here the score (if you want)

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• Jun 9, 2014 - 19:45

Apparently, you already have the key signature in place - so why hide it?
Use menu item: Style / Edit General Style / Page and check the box 'Create key sig. for all systems'. While you're at it, you can 'Create clef for all systems' as well.

Regards.

EDIT: I noticed you are using 'cchords_muse.xml' for your chord description file. To be recognized (e.g. for transposing the score) major seventh chords are entered as ma7 -- not maj7. Go to measure 21 of your score, double click on the bbmaj7 chordname and delete the letter j and the chord will magically transform into Bbma7

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No More Blues1.mscz 4.28 KB

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• Jun 9, 2014 - 21:48

Thanks jm6stringer on that chord, I missed it.

It seams the problem with emailing .mscz files is when you open them they load with your preferences and when they are emailed back they are again opened with your preferences.

What I'm getting at here is as follows: On this particular score, I have Style>Edit General Style>Page all the boxes unchecked at the bottom. What this does for me is only enter the Key Signature and the Clef in the first stave of the score. I like all my music to have this look.

When I sent you my score and you opened it, it opened with your General Style and when you emailed it back, it came with your General Style. You never got a look at when I'm viewing when I open my music.

So. I can change my General Style with all the boxes checked and the Key Signature will be displayed but on every stave. Not to my liking. I would like to change the key signature in the tune and have it displayed on only one stave.

Perhaps this is a bug or maybe just a recommendation for an upcoming version (if ever).

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• Jun 9, 2014 - 23:02

No changes are made to a score when emailing or opening them. Any style changes me would have been made directly by the person emailing. Style settings are saved with the score so that the score appears the same way on all systems.

Anyhow, speaking of "systems" (different kind), you asked to have no key signatures at the beginning of systems, so it's not a bug if you don't *get* key signatures at the beginning of systems :-). if you want key signatures to appear, you need to check that box. If you wish to hide it on certain staves, you can hide the ones you want hidden.

FWIW, just because some college students once self-published a fakebook that omits key signatures and clefs is no good reason for others to do so too. I realize the Real Book has now set a lot of people's expectations for how charts should look, but these were *terrible* decisions they made; you needn't repeat their mistakes. Any more than you should omit the four bars they omitted from Desafinado just because they did :-)

This chart demonstrates unusually well what a bad idea it is to omit key signatures, FWIW. When one hits the end of the chart and does a DS back to measure 9 for the head out, how is one supposed to know what key to be in? Stuff like this does nothing but guarantee confusion and errors when the chart is read. At *most*, one could consider omitting key signatures if you promise the key signature will never change, but even this leads to issues as people want to quickly remind themselves of the key signature and can't find it without taking their eyes off the system they are reading.

BTW, the reason the Bbmaj7 chord in measure 21 looks so bad is that MuseScore doesn't recognize "maj" as the abbreviation for major while using the chord name style you are using. It has to be "ma" to be recognize in this style. This is based on the style used by most major publishers today. But you can get Real Book abbreviations by switching to the cchords_rb style if you like ("-" for minor, "maj" for major) in Style / Edit General Style / Chordname.

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• Jun 10, 2014 - 00:07

I guess this 70 year old musician has just been lectured to. OK no problem, you hold all the cards.

Ok. Explain to me why when I submit a file attachment of a .mscz file it comes back different without the responder making any changes.

Now, if you want to keep your software for concert musicians and composers only, that's fine. But, just because a number of Julliard students want to make things I little bit easier to read and not so repetitive is no reason to say they were terrible decisions and that their methods were "mistakes". Granted. they made a lot of mistakes in their notation but you need to remember, they transcribed what they played. Many of the greatest musicians of the modern era played it the way they "felt" it. That's called improvisation.

As far as your comment as to a Coda sending you to a measure with no key signature, simply insert the key signature at the Coda.

I've used your software for probably 30 lead sheets but never needed one that changed keys in the middle. I'm sorry if this discussion turned out this way but things are the way they are.

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• Jun 10, 2014 - 00:42

If you email a chart to someone, it does *not* come back different if they made no changes. Only if they made changes will it come back different.

FWIW, my lecture was really meant for the people who started and popularized these bad habits, not those who simply follow them :-). I'm a professional jazz pianist and I worked as an assistant editor on an extremely popular series of jazz fakebooks from a major publisher. And I've heard with my own ears the errors that result from these decisions made in the original Real Book as musicians play wrong notes while sight reading on gigs. It's completely predictable and happens over and over. So I do have some experience in this area, and am quite comfortable saying these particular decisions were mistakes.

BTW, while it is true that in some cases you can get away with a key change just before a DS, that doesn't work if there is also a repeat to a section with a different key. And depending on how you were planning on completing this chart, that's exactly what would have happened here.

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• Jun 10, 2014 - 01:28

I guess jmstringer looked at my score, checked the boxes on the Page Style and the Key signature suddenly appeared and he sent it back to me that way.

Like I mentioned. they made a lot of mistakes on their notation. A lot of songs weren't included in their first edition with errors. It was a rag tag publication not many still out there and when Leonard published the second edition it was even worse. So bad it almost useless. I believe Leonard, Alfred and Sher are the major publishers of fake books and I don't think they Include a Clef or a key signature on every stave.

Thanks for your help Marc and good luck on Version 2 (when every that's released).

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• Jun 10, 2014 - 16:44

You wrote: 'I guess jmstringer looked at my score, checked the boxes on the Page Style and the Key signature suddenly appeared and he sent it back to me that way. '

Indeed, that's what I did...I also renamed the file to 'No More Blues1.mscz' when I sent it back (to avoid confusion with the original).

Regards.

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