OpenScore: whether to replace "ß" with "ss" in German language text?
I would appreciate it if somebody literate in German could translate the following and re-post in the German language forum, along with a link back to the original post. Commentors may reply in either forum, preferably in the appropriate language for the forum they reply in.
Traditional German spelling uses the ß character (called variously "Eszett", "scharfes S" or "sharp S") to represent the sound "ss". There have been efforts in some German-speaking countries to replace "ß" with "ss" in all written text, as "ss" is considered easier to type, and easier for the uninitiated to read. However, "ß" is still commonly used in Germany, having survived the orthography reform of 1996.
It has been suggested to me that we should replace "ß" with "ss" in all OpenScore editions, and I wondered what German readers thought of this?
My first inclination would be to not change anything and simply to go with whatever the source edition uses, but I am open to other opinions.
I would also be interested to hear what the common practice is in modern music, and in MuseScore's German translation.
Comments
I would not change it. It was the correct spelling at the time, so should be kept.
In modern musing just follow the rules, use ß and ss where the rules say so, like the pre-1996 "daß" is "dass" nowadays, but "Straße" keeps the 'ß'. Unless you're in Switzerland... AFAIK they don't have that 'ß' on their keyboards, so always transcribe it as 'ss'
No, that would look weird and Swiss.
We even got an uppercase Eszett ß approved into Unicode recently, although it was never part of formal orthography it still saw use, mostly in titles.
I’d much prefer keeping to the original spelling, even if even older than the “old” spelling (if I read “Blüthenbaum” instead of “Blütenbaum” in a Brahms piece, so be it).
Rationale: if some user wishes to adapt it to de-{DE,AT,CH}-{1901,1996} spelling (yes, we have three per-country versions of two major releases, both of which are currently in use (many reject the reform/“deform” of 1996, which had about seven or eight patchlevens since 1996 by the way…), of our orthography) they can do that themselves.
If I compare it with some vocal scores of major works from the music publisher "Edition Peters" (they don't have an imprint, but I bought them 10 or 15 years ago), they didn't change "ß" to "ss". For another in Germany common music publisher "Bärensteiner" I don't own a score with a German libretto.
But: Although in this editions "ß" wasn't changed, I don't believe, they're using the ortography in time of Bach, Brahms and other (There were "orthography" reforms before 1996 (in 1876 and 1901)).
So for me it would make sense to left "ß", if the spelling of the source is the same as from the time of the composer, but it wouldn't make sense for me, if it's from a time maybe 50 years ago.
In reply to If I compare it with some… by kuwitt
OpenScore is about scores out of copyright, these are older than the 50 years you mention.
In reply to OpenScore is about scores… by Jojo-Schmitz
But maybe later than 1876 or 1901 ;-), see: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographische_Konferenz_von_1876 and: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographische_Konferenz_von_1901 (English version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Orthographic_Conference_of_1901).
In reply to But maybe later than 1876 or… by kuwitt
Yes well, these reforms have been rejected by people… and, outside of parts of the educational sector, they’re not binding.
I’d say keep the original spelling.
In reply to Yes well, these reforms have… by mirabilos
I think, our opinions don't differ so much. But I'm not sure, if the original spelling always is reproducible.
Well it seems there is a strong consensus not to do this, so we won't! :)