Turn over (just after) a tied note
For my own edification, I have just started to copy the beginning of Schubert's String Quintet into MuseScore. In the 4th bar, the first violin has a high C half note, which is tied to the previous whole note. Just to the right of this note (and above it of course) is a turn. When I copied this into MuseScore, the turn did not play (presumably because the note it is supposed to play on is tied). I moved it a bit to the right, but that made no difference.
I suspect this problem has been discussed (and hopefully solved, lol) before, but I couldn't find a discussion of it with any searches. I did find a discussion of trills and tied notes, but I found nothing there to help with my problem (which isn't to say, of course, that there isn't help there... I may just not be able to understand it). Can anyone tell me how to get the turn to play in MuseScore? Thank you.
Note: I'm using the Dover edition of the score for my source. For the Quintet, this is Eusebius Mandyczewski's edit. I presume the turn is to the right of the tied note to show that the tied note is not played itself, and that the turn begins after the downbeat. If I'm misinterpreting, please let me know.
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To change the timing of when the turn is played, it will take some shady underhanded hidden stuff that I'm not sure you want to resort to. To make the 1/2 note play the turn, change the tie into a slur. I know it will look a little different, but it will play the turn. You can double click the slur and adjust its appearance if that bothers you.
If you decide you want the turn to start at some point after the 1st down beat, ask and someone will explain how to make it sound right.
In reply to To change the timing of when… by mike320
Thank you. I would like the turn to play after the downbeat, since that seems to be what Schubert intended. So if someone could tell me how to do that, I'd very much appreciate it.
In reply to Thank you. I would like the… by Ike47
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To make it play after the down beat, use voice 2 (or another unused voice I haven't looked at the score) and enter a note of the duration you want the note to play until the turn starts. Let's say an 1/8 note. Then in that same voice enter a note that is the rest of the duration, which would be a dotted 1/4 note if you used an 1/8 note previously. Put the turn on the dotted 1/4 note. Select the 1/2 note you changed the tie to a slur and in the inspector uncheck play. Select the whole note and the 8th note and press the + key to make the tie between the two voices. If a tie is made between the 8th and dotted 1/4 note, delete it since it will cause problems. Now select the 8th note and dotted 1/4 note and press V. Finally select the dot next to the invisible 1/4 note that did not disappear and press V. Your turn will now play and look correctly.
In reply to To make it play after the… by mike320
Thank you! Once I've tried that, I'll let you know of my success or otherwise.
In reply to Thank you! Once I've tried… by Ike47
It works, thanks again! The only glitch is that the turn is very quiet, barely audible. I even set the note to fff, but it only helped a bit. I had a similar problem with the two following quarter notes (after the tied half note), and setting them at ff worked pretty well, but I can't get the turn to be heard nearly as loud. But I guess I'll just have to live with that. :)
In reply to It works, thanks again! The… by Ike47
The glitch is in the sound font. The attack (first part of the note) is too soft, so when MuseScore uses only the first part of the note it comes out soft. The other quarter notes are related to the sound font also, but I'm not sure which sound font or even which instrument you are using. You could try a different sound font such as GeneralUser GS found here: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/soundfonts-and-sfz-files#list I like it for classical music.
In reply to The glitch is in the sound… by mike320
Thank you. I added GS, and it was slightly better. I also added Arachno, and it was a bit better yet, although the turn is still much softer than the following notes. Is the 'glitch in the sound font' something that could be corrected by a MuseScore programmer (since it seems to exist across different fonts)?
In reply to Thank you. I added GS, and… by Ike47
It can be corrected with a different sound font for sure. Since I'm no programmer I don't know what samples the program uses for the turn. I think the program relies on different sound banks for different situations. Could relying on a font made for staccato rather than a sustained note help? I'm sure it could. The answer in your situation in MuseScore is one I do not know. Perhaps someone else will interject with a definitive answer.
In reply to It can be corrected with a… by mike320
OK. Thanks for all your help and patience!
In reply to It can be corrected with a… by mike320
Part of the problem is that we don't currently switch sounds for shorter notes. So there is a conundrum: notes with quick/sharp attacks work great for short notes but don't sound legato. Notes with slower attacks can sound legato but don't work in faster passages. It's something I understand is being worked on for future releases.