Is it possible to place colored lines under the notes?
Is it possible to place colored lines under the notes? I tried to use the Layers function, but it only affects notes, but not such auxiliary elements as lines. And I need the notes to be on top (over, above) of the color elements (lines) I place. At present, the lines are arranged arbitrarily. Someone is under a note, some over it overlapping it.
I wish to use layers as in Photoshop to enable and disable them and change its order of priority. If there is no such function in the program, is it possible in principle to implement it as an add-on?
Возможно ли разместить цветные линии под нотами? Я пробовал воспользоваться функцией Слои, но она касается только нот, но не таких вспомогательных элементов как линии. А мне нужно, чтобы ноты были поверх размещаемых мной цветовых элементов (линий). В настоящее же время линии размещаются произвольно. Какая-то оказывается под нотой, какая-то над ней, закрывая её.
Я хочу использовать слои как в Photoshop, чтобы включать и отключать их и изменять их последовательность. Если такой функции в программе нет, возможно ли в принципе реализовать её в виде дополнения?
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See:
https://musescore.org/en/node/220071
You can adjust the color, thickness, transparency, and also save the line(s) you create to a custom palette for future use.
Regards.
In reply to See:… by Jm6stringer
Sorry, but your advice does not help to solve the problem. In both cases (see Figure), the notes are UNDER the colored lines and are covered by them. Covering the notes with colored elements makes the notes unreadable (invisible). How to make them readable (visible)?
Извините, но ваш совет не помогает решить проблему. В обоих случаях (см. рисунок) ноты находятся ПОД линиями и перекрыты ними. Покрытие нот цветными элементами делает ноты нечитаемыми (невидимыми). Как сделать их читаемыми (видимыми)?
In reply to Sorry, but your advice is… by devol_J
What exactly do you wish?
![Line_color.png]( "Line_color.png")
Here's the MuseScore file:
Line_color.mscz
Also see:
https://musescore.org/en/node/176256#comment-661056
Regards.
In reply to What exactly do you wish?… by Jm6stringer
Wish to have something like this.
(see the pic.)
In reply to What exactly do you wish?… by Jm6stringer
At this moment I can make only this (see the pic.).
In reply to At this moment I can make… by devol_J
You need to change the transparency
In reply to You need to change the… by Jojo-Schmitz
I don`t wish to make the colored elements transparent. I need juicy colors.
In reply to I don`t wish to make the… by devol_J
then you need to change the stacking order, which in turn only is possible in the development builds for the master branch
In reply to then you need to change the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Сan you tell more about "development builds for the master branch"? Is it possible for me (I`m not a programmer) to try it for one note and one color element (line) behind it? I can open a saved file and find some information about the note and about the position and length of the color line but how to "change the stacking order"?
Is it possible for some programmer to create a plugin that will change this stacking order?
In reply to I don`t wish to make the… by devol_J
Ctrl+T to insert the text, right click to edit it?
In reply to Ctrl+T to insert the text,… by Shoichi
In your example, I still don`t see the notes.. The color element closes them. Can you offer more detailed instructions?
In reply to In your example, I still don… by devol_J
For me it appears as follows
With Ctrl+T I entered a single character;
Right-click the text to set the frame size and border
Then I replaced the character with a space (space bar), but I don't know if it's worth it.
In reply to For me it appears as follows… by Shoichi
Thank you but this is not exactly what I need.
I need something like this (see the pic.). The colored element must be a "line", I guess. I need color rectangle and the "Line" is close enough to it, I think.
In reply to Thank you but this is not… by devol_J
Yes, I tried to follow the conversation. As the attached file above mine is just an 'Alternative' idea.
Sorry about not being able to do better.
In reply to Yes, I tried to follow the… by Shoichi
Thank you for trying to help!
In reply to Thank you but this is not… by devol_J
We're back to https://musescore.org/en/node/220071. What is wrong with it? You can make the color less transparent or more as you desire.
In reply to We're back to https:/… by mike320
"What is wrong with it?"
Mike320, the Idea is in Colors! The color with transparency is not the same as the color without it. So I don
t wish to change it.s opened for developement and making a plugins). Or to find another program that can work with notes and color elements as Photoshop work with Layers. But at this time I didn`t find anything better than Musescore. May be you know if there is (in the whole world) an "instrument" that can help me to have the needed result??If there is no simple way with available methods then I need to change the program (if it
In reply to "What is wrong with it?"… by devol_J
MuseScore is open source, so you are certainly welcome to build from source - see the Development link in the Contribute menu above. All you need to do is change the "Z" order of the elements. As mentioned, a future version of MuseScore already supports this directly, but for now, you could just change the default in your private copy and generate PDF's or whatever that way.
In reply to MuseScore is open source, so… by Marc Sabatella
Thank you Marc. Is there any text or article where I can read about this "Z" order of the elements" and how to edit it? Is it connected with a sequence of elements (Chord, TextLine) in .mscx file?
"As mentioned, a future version of MuseScore already supports this directly"
You mean that in a future version I can place the colored element (line (TextLine)) 'stacked under' the note (score) to have what I need? I need colored elements with the coordinates and size to connect it with parameters (position) of each note. And color element should be 'stacked under' the specific note connected with it to be visually appealing in general.
In reply to Thank you Marc. Is there any… by devol_J
There is no documentation for the source other than the source itself. In element.h, you'll see the definition of the "z" property; keep studying the source and you'll see how it is used.
In MuseScore 3 - for which you can already test experimental nightly builds via the Download menu above - you'll see "Stacking Order" (same as "Z") in the Inspector to set however you like. Just set it lower than the defaults for notes and staff lines and you can have full color lines in the bottom layer. You just need to be patient, as this is nowhere near ready for real use. But if you do decide to compile MuseScore for yourself, you can simply set the default "Z" for liens to be much lower in a 2.3 build and have a stable but usable build.
In reply to There is no documentation… by Marc Sabatella
Thank you Marc. Your advice has helped greatly! I downloaded the latest version of the program (this "nightly build"). A little later I will describe my observations and attempts of changing the parameters of the TextLine element.
In reply to Thank you Marc. Is there any… by devol_J
Also note that for now, depending on why you need this, you could maybe get away with saving an SVG/transparent PNG from MuseScore and then add the lines in a layer underneath using a graphics program such as GIMP or PhotoShop or whatever…
In reply to Also note that for now,… by jeetee
Yeah, but I need it all to be automated, so I can
t work with colored elements as pictures. I wish to work with coordinates that I can find in .mscx file (if open it with Notepad).t do this for the whole piece of music. :)I can place the "stacked under" elements in Photoshop for one page but I can
In reply to Yeah, but I need it all to… by devol_J
What is your desired target format? PDF?
Then you could just add the lines in Musecore as you want, export to PDF or SVG and open in e.g. Inkscape and then push the lines back into the background. Inkscape can only work with single pages though and you would have to merge the single page PDF together afterwards.
(Of course you can also edit the SVG-files directly in a Text-Editor. )
I know this is a workaround.
In reply to What is your desired target… by musikai
I think my target format is .mscx. This is text format and I hope it suitable for plugin (or other program) to work with it. All has to be automated.
In reply to I think my target format is … by devol_J
Just keep in mind that the mscx format is purposefully undocumented and is changing during the MuseScore 3 development (it is versioned, so you can check on that in your processing).
FWIW, SVG is also a text format, but purely graphics, so you'd have lost the musical meaning of things. This all still doesn't tell us why you want this and what the end goal is.
In reply to Also note that for now,… by jeetee
Please, neither Gimp nor Photoshop are adequate tools to work on vector graphics. Use Inkscape (Open Source) or Adobe Ilustrator. But I agree with OP, that's only a clumsy workarround. And transparency doesn't work for mosgt colours or markings of colored notes and it will drive (real) printers mad since printing color over black is a big no-no ...
In reply to Please, neither Gimp nor… by rmattes
Thanks, I can work both in Photoshop and Illustrator. But I need a text format (.mscx) for further autoimated work with it.
Depending on how many different colors you need and since transparency cannot suffice for your need for 'juicy colors', this might be worth your effort:
The only way I can do it without using transparency is to create the colored section by changing the color of the score paper itself. The score paper color is 'stacked under' the score. You would need to do this for each different color.
Then make an image of the colored section and paste into the score:
Regards.
In reply to Depending on how many… by Jm6stringer
Thanks but I need more than one color for blocks. And I think if I paste it as an image (you mean "Export to .jpg?") then I will loose the coordinates of position of this element and can
t work with its size and coordinates in a text form (file).I love photoshop. tee hee... unfortunately, the closet I can get is by actually clicking the measure bars and making those different colors...doesn't underline the notes, but it can server as a bracket to (enclose particular measures of notes with colors for vertical lines around the notes. ) : S Or you can just color the notes themselves too (that's what I tend to do)