Help with clefs

• Jul 21, 2014 - 02:40

In the picture below, I have hidden a bar in "measure properties," which hides the clefs. However, I want the clefs to be visible. Adding them simply hides them with the previous measure.
How can I show the clefs? ClefProblem.jpg

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In reply to by Haotian Yu

There a a few ways I could imagine trying to reproduce this.

The most straightforward would be to simply superimpose a blank graphic over the score. Or add the desired text to that graphic.

Another would be to export a graphic of the initial clefs and superimpose that over the blank measure.

Another would be to actually define the a very short initial measure with nothing but an invisibe rest. So your passage aboe would actually be represented as three measures - the first apparently containing only the clefs, the second contains the electric cello (?) part and text notations in the piano part, the third containing the electric piano part.

Of course, I'm sure you are realizing that scores like this are going to present tons of challenges, really with either MuseScore or almost any notation program. While notation programs constantly add features to support various experimental notations, it's hard to anticipate everything someone might try to do. One thing I find is that many composers of this sort music simply build their own notation around whatever their program of choice happens to support. Like, if Crumb were in your position right now, he'd perhaps be saying to himself, "since the clefs don't appear, I guess I won't display them there, but will display them on the second measure instead" which of course amounts to exactly the same thing.

In reply to by Haotian Yu

You mean the second method I mentioned?

Create a score with a single measure. Hide the rests, so only the clefs and staff lines are visible. Save as PNG. Then, from your favorite file browser, drag and drop than image onto the "real" score.

No, wait, you probably the mean the way I suggested doing it *instead* of how Crumb actually did it. Even if I put a dummy clef change in the invisible bar to force the clef change in bar 2 to "stick", the clef change shows in the previous bar. Interesting dilemma. I guess I'm back to something like my third suggestion above, meaning you're just as well off doing it the way Crumb did.

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