Auto Placement of Tremolos is Incorrect
Pictured are 3 screenshots of the instrument MDL Rail. When attempting to place any sort of roll marking (tremolo) on a note (regardless of duration), the Automatic placement feature places it incorrectly: so much so, that for a single tremolo line, it is completely below the note.
Perhaps a rule could be developed for Automatic placement of Tremolos? Quite tedious to go through each one and turn it off and then manually adjust each Tremolo's position.
I attempted to use Tremolo's when writing for Solo Violin as well (pictured), just to check that it wasn't a plug-in (MuseScore Drumline) only issue. It appears to be a general Editor issue.
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In order to understand and assist better, we would need you to attach your actual score, not just pictures. For me tremolo works fine, so it's not clear what is different for you.
In reply to In order to understand and… by Marc Sabatella
I'm still not a MuseScore user, since I think the default output of MuseScore looks less professional than say Sibelius 7.5 (not to even mention Lilypond, which is a category in itself). I've been however following its development and am excited to see how much MuseScore has advanced. I find it's close to being a professional notation software! Tremolos are one of the few but crucial aspects where MuseScore doesn't do a good job yet (as of version 3.4.2). Attached is a MuseScore file with its pdf. For comparison is also the same music typeset in Lilypond, where the positioning is substantially better. Elaine Gould's recommendations on page 221 https://books.google.de/books?id=yBK_DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=ela… are worth a look. I would say, from the MuseScore example, only the three-strokes tremolos on up-stems look correct.
Regards,
Martín.
In reply to I'm still not a MuseScore… by m.r-botero
Check 3.5.0 Beta, seems to look much better:
![tremolos.png]( "tremolos.png")
In reply to Check 3,5 Beta, seems to… by Jojo-Schmitz
Wow, they look indeed much better. That's great! Only the one-stroke tremolos would need to be fixed. The three-strokes tremolos are probably the ones that look the best. Thank you!
In reply to Wow, they look indeed much… by m.r-botero
What would need to get fixed with the one stroke tremolos? Closer to the head?
In reply to What would need to get fixed… by Jojo-Schmitz
I think the position looks a bit inconsistent regarding the direction of the notes (ascending in this case). That is definitely not the case for three-stroke tremolos, and it's only slightly the case for two-stroke tremolos. If tremolos could be made to follow an imaginary line between ascending/descending notes, the way three-strokes tremolos already seem to do, it would be great.
In reply to I think the position looks a… by m.r-botero
I was the one who did the improvements for 3.5 beta, and I'm afraid I don't quite agree with your request. To ensure readability, one of the strokes is supposed to be on a crossing point of a staff line and the stem to be better readable. For the one-stroke case, well, there's only one stroke, so if we move the strokes like the notes do, we'll have to break that principle, which isn't something worthy in exchange.
But on the other hand, I noticed that the stroke width we use is exactly half of the space between staff lines. This means if we move the strokes like you said, they'll coincidentally still be on the lines, except that some are entirely above and some entirely below. I'm not sure whether that's a good enough option.
In reply to I was the one who did the… by Howard-C
They could still move closer to the noteheads though, esp. for notes on a line?
For the 3-stroke ones on a line that principle is broken it seems.
And none of the 1-stroke ones do follow it, they only touch then line barely
In reply to They could still move closer… by Jojo-Schmitz
Well, the stroke doesn't actually go through the point, but is rather attached to it. So for now, what you're seeing is that each stroke for the chords with the same stem direction is on the same side of the staff line it intersects with.
In reply to Well, the stroke doesn't… by Howard-C
Then I see no problem to move the 1-stroke tremolos for notes on a line closer to the head by 0.5 sp so that the edge towards the head touches the staff line
In reply to Well, the stroke doesn't… by Howard-C
But yeah, this probably looks better.
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In reply to But yeah, this probably… by Howard-C
No, it does not
In reply to Well, the stroke doesn't… by Howard-C
The tremolo beams do follow the contour of the noteheads (or is it the beams they are following) in a scale of 1/8th notes but not with 1/4 notes. It makes it look rather odd, particularly when they are next to each other.
In reply to The tremolo beams do follow… by SteveBlower
Oh those eights look correct indeed. I think the key is allowing strokes to touch the staff line from below and others from above, so that they can give the appearence of following the contour.
In reply to Oh those eights look correct… by m.r-botero
See https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/6265, esp. the 2nd commit, with a bit of luck this will make it into 3.5.0, if not, then hopefully into 3.5.1
In reply to Oh those eights look correct… by m.r-botero
I improved the layout based on your request and added a commit to https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/6265. You can see the comparison pictures there.
In reply to I improved the layout based… by Howard-C
Awesome! Impressive job. Thank you! I wonder if this fix also affects two-lines strokes, which behaved better with the last beta but were a bit less "contourish" than their three-strokes counterpart. Even if it‘s not the case, this fix substantially improved MuseScore tremolos anyways :-).
In reply to Awesome! Impressive job… by m.r-botero
It affects them too :-)
In reply to It affects them too :-) by Howard-C
great! Thank you!
In reply to The tremolo beams do follow… by SteveBlower
Yes, I'd expect a similar look for quarter and half notes notes
In reply to In order to understand and… by Marc Sabatella
Dear administrators,
my last post from several days ago is awaiting moderation approval. Since it's been already quite long I wanted to ask if I have to edit my original message somehow to gain approval. I'm certainly interested in seeing my report about this issue in this forum.
Best regards,
Martín.