Individual styles for odd and even lyric lines in Musescore 3?
How do I specify all odd line lyrics to be below the staff and all even lines above in Musescore 3? In Musecore 2, individual styles could be assign to odd and even lines. In Musescore 3, "set as syle" in the Inspector applies the positioning to both. Thanks, Sam
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Select, open Inspector->set
In reply to Select, open Inspector->set by Shoichi
Thanks for snapshot. As I mentioned, the "set as style" effects both even and odd lines even though only one style is selected (e.g., Lyrics even lines)? I can't set a separate style for either? Is this the intended outcome or a bug?
In reply to Thanks for snapshot. As I… by Sambaji
Looks like a bug, can anyone confirm or explain how to separate the behavior of the verses?
There is no way to set the styles so odd and even lines have different above/below positions, but you can move all existing lyrics by verse. Right click a lyric you want to move and choose Select>more... then check Same subtype, same staff if applicable, then OK. In the inspector when you change the postion to above, all lyrics in that part will move above the staff. You will be left with a hole between verses you will need to do something with. I would suggest that you reconsider what you are doing and place verses 1, 2 & 3 below the staff and verses 4, 5, & 6 above the staff (or something similar). Auto placement will then take care of any gaps that are left.
In reply to There is no way to set the… by mike320
Thanks Mike for the tip. Is this not a regression in Musesore 3? Musescore 2 did allow individual styles to be applied to even and odd lines. Perhaps, I should make a feature request.
In reply to Thanks Mike for the tip. Is… by Sambaji
But MuseScore 2 didn't have an Above/Below setting, just an offset. So not a regression really.
We had an issue with the Above/Below though that got fixed, in so far as chan ging just one sylable to Above changed the style for all lyrics (of that stanza or even/odd, not sure), which was bad. You may want to have just certain sylables above as an exception
In reply to Thanks Mike for the tip. Is… by Sambaji
Feel free to enter a feature request, though I explained why I think what you are doing is a bad idea and explained how to do the unusual, though not unheard of, process of moving some verses above the staff. I also proposed a better method that the program handles well in my opinion. I don't see how you can put in a style option that will do this, but it wouldn't be the first time my limited imagination failed. Moving odd or even lyrics without leaving a gap will be a PITA to program and isn't likely to happen.
My question is: what is the real world use case for wanting some verses above, others below? My hunch is that your use case has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's odd or even, and is more about different voices - wanting lyrics for voice 1 above, voice 2 below - and you have been accustomed to misusing the odd/even verse mechanism to get that effect. This is no longer necessary or appropriate, just use the placement as mentioned. You'll find that once you've flipped existing voice 1 lyrics above, newly entered ones will also continue to stay above, for as long as you stay in that mode.
In reply to My question is: what is the… by Marc Sabatella
I have seen vocal parts where the publisher decided to place some of the verses above the staff and some below. I don't remember the exact example, but it made sense to me at the time. Perhaps it was used in a refrain that had the same melody as the main verses.
In reply to I have seen vocal parts… by mike320
I can imagine that indeed, but it still seems like a misuse of the odd/even facility for that. Better to have different placements per verse. That way you can have 1 & 2 above, 3 below, etc. I can't really see there being literally N different style settings for N different verses, but I could imagine the behavior of Ctrl+L being changed to look at the previous lyric on that verse/voice to decide on the start placement. Right now we always go to the default. But, if you enter lyrics edit mode by double-clicking an existing lyric, we do honor its placement when you hit Space to enter another lyric. If we took that behavior back to Ctrl+L, I think it would simplify the process.
In reply to I can imagine that indeed,… by Marc Sabatella
I already suggested to put consecutive verses above and the rest below to allow MuseScore's auto place to make it easier and not leave unwanted gaps between verses.
In reply to My question is: what is the… by Marc Sabatella
While in standard music score different lines of lyrics are kept together, when creating lessons there may be advantages to separating the lines (containing additional information) above and below. The exercise I am working on now for percussion in Musescore has the takadimi (rhythmic solfege) syllables below and the hand positioning above the staff (L R L R, etc). Currently, doing what Mike suggests, requires that every time I add more or edit any hand positioning on a different staff or a non-consecutive note, I have to move it to above manually through the inspector, selecting it first as a subtype.
In reply to While in standard music… by Sambaji
OK, so indeed, it's not literally an odd/even situation, you were just co-opting that for your purpose. Instead, I definitely recommend going with a more direct method. As I mentioned above, if you manually flip the first lyric of a voice/verse where you want it, you can then double-click it and then hit Space and all subsequent lyrics for that editing session (as long as you stay in lyrics edit mode) will inherit that placement. And those changes stick if you edit the lyric, So, no need to flip them one at a time. The only time you'd need to do any additional flipping is if you go back and add lyrics after the fact, to notes you skipped the first time or added later, but there again, no need to do if for each - just the first of the session. And no need to do anything special with subtypes.
In reply to OK, so indeed, it's not… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks for the tip.