Remove one staff spacer and rename remaining.
The staff spacers up/down both basically increase space between 2 staves. The fixed spacer lessens the space.
I propose that one of the 2 duplicate spacers be removed and the 2 remaining spacers be renamed such as: increase space and decrease space.
At the moment the names given them are not really descriptive of their function. :)
Best to all ...
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No, the fixed spaces gives an exact distance, bigger or lesser than default, in other word: a fixed space, The other spacers can only increase the default space, not decrease it
In reply to No, the fixed spaces gives… by Jojo-Schmitz
Happily I just used the fixed spacer to decrease the space between 2 consecutive staves, thereby moving one from a 4th page to the 3rd, meaning I did not need a 4th page. I applied the fixed spacer and decreased its length.
Please explain to me the difference of the other 2 spacers. To me they seem to do the same thing, increase space.
In reply to Happily I just used the… by xavierjazz
So you used the fixed spacer to decrease space, amd the others to increase. Exactly what I said.
Ypu can increase with the fixed spacer too, but not decrease with the others, that is the difference.
In reply to So you used the fixed spacer… by Jojo-Schmitz
I now understand that thanks, but why 2 ways to increase the space, and why are the pop-ups not a better description?
In reply to I now understand that thanks… by xavierjazz
You mean why the spacer up and the spacer down?
Context, I guess, sometimes you want make room above a certain measure, sometimes below another
You mean the tooltips? They do make perfect sense to me.
In reply to You mean why the spacer up… by Jojo-Schmitz
Spacer up/down: they both do the same thing, which I feel is unnecessary clutter.
As to the tool tips, that's because you know what they mean. For someone who doesn't, they provide no real information. As you know I have been a heavy user of MS for many years, and when I would hover, I could not understand the "fixed" until I started this thread and you and Mark responded.
In reply to Spacer up/down: they both do… by xavierjazz
No, they don't. One makes room above, the other below
In reply to No, they don't. One makes… by Jojo-Schmitz
:)
As far as I can tell they both make room "between".
Do they not both move the lower stave down?
In reply to :) They both make room … by xavierjazz
I believe the handbook does explain this quite well too: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/breaks-and-spacers#spacers, but feel free to improve the wording
In reply to I believe the handbook does… by Jojo-Schmitz
The wording is great. It is not the wording I am fixated on, it's the labeling and what I see as unnecessary duplication. Let me do a little experimenting.
:)
In reply to The wording is great. It is… by xavierjazz
"As far as I can tell they both make room "between".
Not if applied to the first or last stave on a page (where there is no "between"). Stave spacer up applied to the top stave allows you to control the distance from the top stave to the top of the page. Stave spacer down applied to the bottom stave allows you to control the distance from the bottom stave to the bottom of the page (within the limits of the last system fill threshold).
In reply to "As far as I can tell they… by SteveBlower
Thank you. Clear and meaning full.
That clears up my confusion. :)
In reply to Thank you. Clear and meaning… by xavierjazz
The names may be a little confusing as in the situations I described the Stave spacer up forces the stave to which it is applied to move down and the Stave spacer down forces the stave to which it is applied to move up.
Perhaps "Add space above stave" and "Add space below stave" might fit their behaviour better.
In reply to The names may be a little… by SteveBlower
+1
This always confused me...
Not sure if you missed my previous explanation, see https://musescore.org/en/node/308012#comment-1013441
Staff spacer up is important (more so prior to MuseScore 3, but still occasionally today) to make sure the space you are allocating is attached to the proper measure in the proper measure, if the layout changes, Yes, what it does today is add space "between" two staves, but tomorrow the layout of your score may change, and those two staves may no longer be adjacent. It's important that MuseScore knows which of the the two staves actually needed the extra space.
Also, fixed spacers aren't just for decreasing distance, although that is one of their functions. As the name implies, they are for producing a fixed distance - exactly 15sp, say, not "at least" 15sp.