Wrong key for some transposing instrument
Hello!
I'm having problem adding transposing instrument to be correct key in the score. If the score is written in C major, a Eb tuba should have 3 sharps. However when I add a Eb tuba or a Bb tuba, they both have 0 sharps, when they should have 3 and 2.
I'm seeing the same with trombones.
Horns and trumpets are transposed correctly.
It seems most of these "transposing" instruments are just C instruments with a different name. E.g Eb and Bb tubas are C tubas with different names. The score is wrong.
You could say I could just transpose it after adding the instrument, but then it sound wrong, even though it looks correct. Also, why have different procedures for random instruments?
Please fix!!
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As per https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuba Tuba is notated untransposed in German, Italy and England, transposed in bass clef in France, Belgium and Netherlands, transposed in treble clef in Switzerland
In reply to As per by Jojo-Schmitz
Ok, but how do I get the score transposed? Isn't that what the "Concert Pitch" button is for? For Tubas it does nothing.
Tubas are not in fact transposing instruments normally. The "Eb" in the name refers to how it is constructed - what its fundamental frequency is - but music for all tubas is normally written at concert pitch. Same with Bb trombone - music for trombone is *not* normally transposed.
It is true than in British brass bands and a few other very specific contexts, music for these instruments may be transposed, and usually placed in treble clef. If you specifically are writing for players accustomed to that tradition (probably less than 10% of the players in the world), then you can use the treble clef version. These are not in the "Common" list, but Just type "Tuba" or "Trombone" into the search box and you'll see those variations listed.
In reply to Tubas are not in fact by Marc Sabatella
Ok, thank you. Yes, I am writing for players accustomed to that tradition. How can I get the (Eb/Bb) Tuba score transposed in bass clef?
In reply to Ok, thank you. Yes, I am by vegarda
see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/transposition-0#transposing-instrumen…
In reply to see by Jojo-Schmitz
I took Eb Tuba (Treble clef) (correct key, not concert pitch), and threw in a bass clef, but it sounds too low (dark)?
In reply to I took Eb Tuba (Treble clef) by vegarda
You are writing for players accustomed to reading transposed parts in bass clef? Wow, I've never heard of that before. The tranposed parts for low brass I know of all treble clef, sounding one or more octaves lower than written. If you want to write transposed parts in bass clef, you will need to go Staff Properties and change the transposition to remove the octave displacement. Then depedning on how you entered the music, you may need to actually move the notes you have already entered up to compensate for the change.
In the future, you'd want to set that up first, before entering notes. Once this score is set up the way you want, you may wish to aave it to your Templates folder so it will be available in the template list next time you crete a new score (restarting MuseScore after saving the template may be required).
In reply to You are writing for players by Marc Sabatella
You are writing for players accustomed to reading transposed parts in bass clef?
I think so?
Take a look at trombone and tuba in these files. (You may need to View -> Rotate View -> Clockwise)
In reply to You are writing for players by vegarda
Indeed, that is what these look like. Is music regularly published that way in your country, or it is a quirk of whomever wrote these particular arrangements? If it's standard in your country, we shoudl probably consider adding entries for these to the list of instruments. it is possible to add to that list by providing your own instruments.xml file, but it's kind of complicated, whereas a template is much simplr - as easy as just setitng up the score once and saving it to your templates folder, as I said. So I'd start trying to go that route for the future (after getting this first score set up this way).
In reply to Indeed, that is what these by Marc Sabatella
I asked the guy who arranged those, he said all norwegian music is written like this.
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