Disappearing Text
I have MS 1.3 opera files I want to get transferred to MS2+. Have therefore opened two files so far in M@ 2_ For some reason, the text inside the frames disappears -- It's fine in 1.3 but gone in 2_ The frame outlines still appear in MS2+ but NO text inside the fame lines.??! How to fix? Please see attachment of MS 2+ version Note empty frames
| Attachment | Size |
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| The Anasazi Act II. pv score pg.96-112 full score pg. 170-201.mscz | 117.82 KB |
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What is the title of the score? Is it already on these forums or on MsS.com?
In reply to What is the title of the by Shoichi
the text has not disappeared, it's just out of place.
I searched the annotations on the last page;
right-click> select all similar elements then Ctrl + R.
Check if all goes well (I hope).
You may have to fix breaks and spacers
In reply to What is the title of the by Shoichi
Title: The Anasazi, Act I. File #4
Thank You. Will look into that and try to fix as you posted. I'm not getting much done on music until after Christmas !
In reply to Thank You. Will look into by delhud2
Missing Frame text again. Please see pg.71 in attachment below. I saved all the directions I had from Marc about this problem, Ctr C, V , R A, etc. but nothing worked. The text you see on pg 71 is actually copied from the 1.3 file, but it is strung out in a single line. Nothing I tried would fix it. The 2.0.3 text would not Return either. ???? This somehow happened when I was working on pgs 70-73 or so.
In reply to Missing Frame text again. by delhud2
What exactly is the problem? You want to add line breaks to this text? Just double click to edit, position the cursor where you want the line break, and hit Return - same as you'd do in 1.3 or any other program. Looks like you've inserted all sorts of unnecessary spaces into this text, not sure why. You'll want to delete those.
In reply to What exactly is the problem? by Marc Sabatella
The problem is that a full page of Opera Libretto spoken text vanished. The spaces are from pressing Enter a lot, so that each character who speaks name begins with a new line, as is SOP for opera librettos.
Kaimi: blah blah
Kochani" blah blah blah etc.
The text you see is copied from the original 1.3 file. It is strung out over the succeeding page then disappears!?? ALl this happenend in my ongoing struggle to fix the 2.0.3 problems in this file. The text should fill the entire page and frame, pg 71.
I will try what you suggested and see what happens.
i also already tried selecting another frame text in the file , selecting all similar elements and then Ctr + R, as you once before had told me,but it did not bring back the text on pg. 71.
In reply to The problem is that a full by delhud2
I don't know what you mean by "vanished" - it's just one big line, so of course it runs off the page, and text that isn't on the page won't be visible. That's normal. Like I said, simply edit the text to add the necessary line breaks and remove the spurious spaces. As far as I can tell, all the text actually in the file is perfectly visible once you do this.
In reply to I don't know what you mean by by Marc Sabatella
BY vanished, I mean the full page of text present in the 2.0.3 frame vanished as I was working on 2-3pages after the frame. I do not know what I may have done to cause that to happen. The text that now appears in a straight line was copied and pasted from the 1.3 file.
In reply to Missing Frame text again. by delhud2
text out of place, not disappeared.
I will continue later if I can. in the meantime...
edit____________
On the way back from work ...
I tried to select all the text on page 71 (a long dialogue?). If that is indeed the necessary text, then there is insufficient space.
I attach
- The text (LibreOffice) for review for spacing;
- The text (Notepad);
- The score (without the text of page 71) with some corruptions now correct.
Check the lyrics of measures 173 and 174 (I reduced the duration of the notes).
HTH
In reply to text out of place, not by Shoichi
This all was just originally, in 1.3 ,a simple page of libretto text spoken which filled the whole frame and pg. 71. I will look at your attachments and see if I can figure out what you mean. Dojn't know what you mean by insufficient space. It was all OK even on MS2.0.3, then vanished while I was checking on pg. 72 and 73 for errors in slurs, trills, and layout done by MS 2.0.3
In reply to This all was just originally, by delhud2
Tips of a profane ;-)
Prepare texts (Scenes) on a text processor (LibreOffice? It can save as PDF);
Export the score as PDF;
Use something like pdfsam (free) to merge pages, eg. Score (51 to 70) + Text (p.71) + Score (72 to 92)
Attached the latest version (Quater), text, if it is correct
In reply to Tips of a profane ;-) Prepare by Shoichi
OK, I looked over the your attachment. It looks marvellous, pg 72 etc. but what do I do with the empty page 71 ?Can a page of score be deleted? Will this mess up the layout of the file? Your methods are far too complicated for me. I am not that sophisticated on technology. I often cannot follow you. i do appreciate your help though!
In reply to OK, I looked over the your by delhud2
? Here page 71 is not empty. Perhaps, because the file is quite 'heavy' your PC takes a little more time?
Anyway here's a version with some corrections (underscore VS lines for the lyrics).
Unfortunately, I have no idea if the dialogues are correct.
Warning: I set the page margins in this way
otherwise the music 'overflows' page
Check it, when you have time. Good work and ... buona musica.
In reply to ? Here page 71 is not empty. by Shoichi
Could SOMEONE PLEASE LOOK AT THIS AND TELL ME WHAT TO DO? The text coped from 1.3 is there strung out into succeeding pages. When you hit ENTER at the end of a character's line, it appears, but keeps going over to the right, otherwise I could recover all the text for this frame. What to DO? Does anyone have clear simple directions that are not in techspeak that an ordinary person can understand? plsease see page 71 below in the attachment.
In reply to Could SOMEONE PLEASE LOOK AT by delhud2
As mentioned elsethread copying text from MuseScore 1.3 seems to lose linefeeds. Past into some editor, like Notepad, and correct/add the linefeeds, then copy/paste that into MuseScore 2.0.
In reply to As mentioned elsethread by Jojo-Schmitz
What are line feeds? That is some kind of techspeak.
In reply to What are line feeds? That is by delhud2
No it is a general concept in any text. Coming from typewriters, line feed, carriage return.
line breakes, new lines ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline
In reply to Could SOMEONE PLEASE LOOK AT by delhud2
Here ends the space available ... review of h19: 15
(I suspect that by mistake the text has been entered multiple times)
In reply to ? Here page 71 is not empty. by Shoichi
OK, I will soon when time-- Thank you for bothering with it and glad you think the music is good also!
In reply to ? Here page 71 is not empty. by Shoichi
page margins are too wide. Can't use.
In reply to text out of place, not by Shoichi
OK, I will look check on these soon.
In reply to OK, I will look check on by delhud2
Last attempt (for today).
The score indicates the corruptions (ignore to open) but I think I have recovered the dialogues. To me are two pages. is it correct?
In reply to Last attempt (for today). The by Shoichi
Hello again, I did recover the text by using Apache and pasting, but you are right it needs 2 pages! SO I still had a problem I did not know about. OK, I just studied your attachment, the text looks fine on 2 pages, and the pages after that fine too. THE JOKER TO USING THIS VERSION IS THE EMPTY PAGE, PAGE 71. What am I supposed to do about that? Can am empty page of score be deleted? Would MS then change the page numberings from the beginning on?????
In reply to Hello again, I did recover by delhud2
Select the measure;
Ctrl + Del.
Or select measures (of 120 to 127);
Layout-> decrease stretch
What is the function of empty measures 126 and 127?
I'm naming the files with date and time (20) 16/11/18-h: 16 to recognize the most recent
In reply to Select the measure; Ctrl + by Shoichi
Hi, Renaming DOES help! BUt hold on, I just realized that my text DOES only take up one page/frame. It was simply duplicated once! (I have been checking back on my original manuscript, handwritten.) Don't know how that happened, so I will see if I can remove the extra copy and idt should fir back the way it was originally. Give me some time. Thank You Del
Three days of my workweek now wasted on this frame text! I did get the text entered into the page and frame--trouble is, it just keeps duplicating itself endlessy. I just kept deleting the duplicates, but they never end, just keep coming up from bottom of the frame area!
Please see attachment, pg 71. The text is supposed to end on te Gaurd saying "High One" then exiting, etc. (In Italics)
The r epetition begins below this with "Kaimi" etc. ???????????? I'm at the end of my rope on this.
In reply to Hi, Renaming DOES help! BUt by delhud2
something like that?
In reply to Hi, Renaming DOES help! BUt by delhud2
My guess is you keep pasting it over and over and aren't seeing it because you are pasting one after another and it keeps getting appended to the end and isn't visible because it is running off the page. That is, you'd do a paste, think nothing happened because the pasted copy is running off the page, so you paste again, again thinking nothing happened, and now you've got tons of text there.
Best bet is to simply delete the frame, add a new one, and re-enter the text.
In reply to My guess is you keep pasting by Marc Sabatella
Which is what I wanted to explain better if I had not my linguistic limitations.
Text formatting, for now, is not the best. Pdfsam (or similar) allows you to merge several PDF files into one, alternating the pages as needed. There is also an old tutorial http://www.pdfsam.org/uploads/pdfsam-1.1.0-tutorial.pdf
Maybe Marc can clarify, if necessary.
Regards
Edit: In the attached example, some pages (with the original settings) merged with a PDF (LibreOffice) justified text
In reply to My guess is you keep pasting by Marc Sabatella
Hello, i did delete the text in the frame, and re-entered the text. Worked fine. But I have decided it is not worth it to update more files 1.3 to MS2. MS 2.0.3 creates numerous problems: Lines (usually cresc. dim. lines, trills displaced most of the time. dynamics regularly displaced in ALL vocal parts, from the top of the staff where they belong down to being mixed in with the Libretto text, etc. I will not belabor the point. I will use the files I have gotten into MS2, but
for the remainder of the opera I will use the original 1.3s. On MS.com I will just have to leave the scores up without the Hide Empty Staves function since 1.3 is outlawed to reload to MS.com.
QUESTION; Please confirm that 1.3 will be stable (exist on my computer and usable for printing, and sending to producers, etc.just as I was told 2.0.3 would "stay on for 100 years" if necessary. (Half-jokingly, of course). I've never extracted any parts, but I assume 1.3 will be OK for that, unless you think MS2.0.3 works better for extraction?
ONe more question for Marc perhaps: You said you had old Finale files that you used to update, etc. I am NOT criticizing MS, but the thought occurs to me I might have been ahead to do my Opera on Finale--perhaps it is more stable without a lot of updating to fix, etc.? But you featured a Norwegian conductor who said he does large vocal/symphonic scores on MS awhile back, even though at first he figured he would do only smaller scores on MS. and to me that helped me decide to go ahead on MS at the time. Just some thoughts.( I plan to do future work on MS2+.) have a score to do for the Boulder CO Philharmonic in the near future.)
In reply to Hello, i did delete the text by delhud2
If you don't uninstall 1.3, it ill continue to exist on your computer. It is possible it won't work with Windows 11 or Windows 12 or Windows 47 or whatever people are using 100 years from now, but as long as you don't upgrade your OS to something that 1.3 doesn't run on, you should be good as long as your hard drive stays alive - which is probably more like 10 years than 100. If you really want to be future-proof, export to PDF and keep that file safe, also make physical copies - perhaps on acid-free paper - and keep them in a safe deposit box.
Parts are definitely better in 2;0.3, just as virtually else is. Parts are actually perhaps the single biggest / most significant improvement, in fact. You will indeed be able to create parts with 1.3, but they won't look as good by default as they would in 2.0.3, they will take more work to get looking good than they would in 2.0.3, and they won't update automatically if you make changes to the score the way they would in 2.0.3. So you are definitely talking about a lot more work to do your parts in 1.3 versus doing them in 2.0.3.
Also - and I guess you will not like to hear this - the same problems in your score that cause it to not look good in 2.0.3 are like to also cause the parts to look even worse by default in 1.3 than they otherwise would have, and to take even more work to correct than it otherwise would be. In fact, I rather suspect you will need to spend *more* time fixing your parts in 1.3 because of these problems in your score than you would spend fixing the problems in your score directly using 2.0.3. That's just a guess; maybe it will be slightly easier to fix the parts in 1.3 than to fix the score in 2.0.3. But either way I'm afraid you're in for a lot of work.
To be clear: as I have repeatedly reminded you, most of the problems you saw moving to 2.0.3 were not caused by 2.0.3 but by the way your score relies on inappropriate manual adjustments that depend heavily on the specifics of the current layout. Your score will also have issues in 1.3 should you, for instance, change the staff size, paper size, or make any edits that lead to significant layout changes (eg, inserting or deleting measures in the middle of a page). And unfortunately, when you generate parts, you are going to see those exact same problems for the exact same reasons: the layout of the parts is entirely different than the layout of the score, so the manual adjustments you made that relied upon the specifics of the current layout of the score will not work in the parts. Worse, you will need to fix these problems separately for every single part if you don't fix them in the score first.
So before you invest too much thought into the idea that you will stay with 1.3, you might at least get started on generating parts to see if you really think fixing all those parts individually is going to be easier than just fixing the score. 2.0.3 provides much more powerful facilities for making the sort of fixes that are required, but since you are more comfortable with 1.3, there's no guarantee you'd actually find it easier. That will be a tough call, I think.
Not sure what you are asking regarding Finale. Are you wondering if it would have been better to do it in Finale? I don't think there is anything in your score that Finale would have done better or allowed you to do more easily. And I don't see any reason to assume you wouldn't have made the same sort of mistakes in Finale you made in MuseScore in terms of relying on inappropriate manual adjustments that depend too heavily on the current layout. So no, I doubt you'd be "ahead" in any meaningful sense.
Now, it *is* true that since Finale has been around so long, there are relatively fewer changes from version to version, so if you started it with Finale 2012 - which was already 20 years old - and then upgraded to Finale 2016, you'd probably notice fewer changes to your score at that time. You'd be more likely to notice the problems when you generated the parts, which would be problematic in Finale for the same reason it is likely to be in MuseScore.
In any case, I can guarantee one thing: whether or not you noticed a change in your score on each upgrade, you wouldd definitely notice a much bigger (negative) change to your checking account balance!
In reply to If you don't uninstall 1.3, by Marc Sabatella
Question RE: Your information on parts, etc. After I have hand-adjusted (usually) the displacements, etc. on layout, lines, dynamic marks in 2.0.3 (Being uploaded from 1.3)and their being saved of course, will the parts printed from 2.0.3 be true to my corrections? ) If not, I don't see how you could ever get a usable score/parts. Would I be able to extract and print a few pages of a part on my printer, on 81/2 by 11 paper and see what's happening?
In reply to Question RE: Your information by delhud2
The trick again is to rely as little on manual adjustments as possible. Don't attach a symbol to one place then drag it to appear as if it were attached somewhere else - that won't look right in the part, since the layout will be different. Indeed, many manual adjustments made to the score will not make sense in the parts - consider, you might be dragging a dynamic marking to avoid a note on the staff below, but that staff won't be there in the part.
So the less manual adjustment you do in the score the better, both for future-proofing your score and for getting a good starting place for the parts. It's likely you will need to apply some manual adjustment to the parts, but this will generally be different than any adjustments needed in the score, as explained above. Basically, expect to to spend about the same amount of time doing manual adjustments for each page of parts that you do for each page of the score (normally, I expect to spend a couple of minutes per page). The adjustments will be remembered for the score and parts separarety. That is true for both 1.3 and 2.0. The big, huge advantage of 2.0 is that if you then need to edit the score aside from these occasional manual adjustments - that is, if you need to change the actual content of the score, like fixing a wrong note, doubling the violin part in the oboe, adding measures, whatever - that change is automatically reflected in the parts. In 1.3, you'd have to repeat that same edit in both places, each and every time you make any change. Also, assuming you created the score correctly and didn't rely on excessive / inappropriate manual adjustments rather than attaching elements correctly in the first place, your parts will need far fewer adjustments in 2.0 than 1.3, because the default layout is greatly improved.
The end result is that yes, you *do* get a usable score and parts, much easier with 2.0 than 1.3, but it's possible with either.
Normally you'd generate all parts at once - you can do that in a single click. There is no particular advantage in taking the extra time to generate only a single part. Once you have generated the parts, you can see them and edit just like you see and edit your score, no particular advantage to printing them until after you've done your edits. But sure, you can print as many or few pages of your parts as you like at any time, just as you can with your score.
In reply to The trick again is to rely as by Marc Sabatella
Once again, Thanks for all the information. Pretty overwhelming in a a way Naturally, as I have experienced before, it is a big aggravation to everyone concerned if, at the first rehearsal, the players have faulty parts and the Conductor is tearing out his hair and wanting to curse the composer!
In reply to Once again, Thanks for all by delhud2
Indeed, and that is one of the biggest reasons to try to use MuseScore 2 if at all possible - the linked parts facility greatly reduces the likelihood of discrepancies between the score and parts. With 1.3, there will always be the possibility that your score might be perfect but something went wrong in editing the part and you would have no real way of finding out until rehearsal.
In reply to text out of place, not by Shoichi
Hi Again, You once mentioned somewhere (I can't find it now) in your Forum replies/comments to me, that there is such a thing as Musescore.org /Services? Is this something where you pay a lot of money to a MS technician too fix your score? maybe I could apply fro a grant for this. Del
In reply to Hi Again, You once mentioned by delhud2
https://musescore.org/services