WAT!? (Random score showcase)
I typed this in MuseScoreNightly-202012010428-3.x-b628449-x86_64.AppImage 2020-12-01
(today's nightly in other words)
Lots of weird stuff. I'm not sure what I want to report here, but I guess it could help?
Also I cannot extend the barlines to the bottom of the page, I mean connect all the staves together.
Comments
rather tonight's nightly ;-)
Sample score needed I guess
In reply to rather tonight's nightly ;-)… by Jojo-Schmitz
Haha, well it's day here ;)
Also, I forgot to say but I forgot to keep a sample. uhhh... Guess I'll remake it some other time.
In reply to Haha, well it's day here ;)… by [DELETED] 32872726
Hard to tell from just a picture, but that looks like kind of normal/expected results if you attempt to put more notes into a measure than can actually physically fit on the page.
In reply to Hard to tell from just a… by Marc Sabatella
Maybe... tho... I do think it's possible to fit this one, or maybe I'm wrong? Anyway, in this case I believe it should be great if it continued the measure in the next page (yes this isn't classical notation).
In reply to Maybe... tho... I do think… by [DELETED] 32872726
Here, it's not exactly the same but it kind of gets out of boundaries, not that much as the one above because the part's name is not shown. Check that, you cannot connect all staves together by dragging down the bar-lines. The time signatures are also out of place. Lastly, do you know a more effective way to have many piano staves in one part BUT NOT linked? I cannot find a fast way to get what I want.
WAT.mscz
In reply to Here, it's not exactly the… by [DELETED] 32872726
Exactly as I said, that's more notes than can physically fit on the page (given your current settings in Format / Style / Measure). If you need to do this, you will need bigger paper or smaller notes, your choice - no getting around the laws of physics on that. Or, you could simply split the measure to continue it onto the next system.
Not sure what you mean about linekd piano staves - piano staves would never normally be linked to anything. You have a single piano with 10 staves which makes no musical sense at all, but none of them are linked.
In reply to Exactly as I said, that's… by Marc Sabatella
Are you sure they are not linked? I tried setting a dynamic thatI wanted to apply only in ONE staff, but the others also played in the same volume as THAT one staff, I wanted to apply the dynamic to. Also 100000+ makes sense for a single piano. It's just that there was never a need to. I can split a bar in 2 systems? How? .O.
In reply to Are you sure they are not… by [DELETED] 32872726
I'm sure they are not linked. If they were, adding a note to one staff would make it appear in the other. Dynamics always affect the entire instrument default, as is standard for music notation (eg, a dynamic between the two staves of a piano part affects both staves). If you have a ten-handed pianist you want to play this part, and you want him to play each staff at a different dynamic, then simply set the dynamic range to "Staff" in the Inspector, rather than the default "Part". But, probably makes more sense to actually consider how many pianists will be playing this and organize the score with multiple instruments of 1-2 staves each.
In reply to Are you sure they are not… by [DELETED] 32872726
To split a bar, simply use Tools / Measure / Split Measure Before Selected Note/Rest. Then it will break across system, as needed by default, or you can manual line breaks as desired, etc.
In reply to To split a bar, simply use… by Marc Sabatella
Hm, ok. I never intended to make this score for real players. I just wanted to break down an orchestral score's excerpt to its "more" basic ideas. But what about the barlines? Do they extend to the bottom for you?
In reply to Hm, ok. I never intended to… by [DELETED] 32872726
No. As far as I can tell they aren't set to, but attempting to do so doesn't appear to work in 3.6. This is a regression compared to 3.5.
In reply to No. As far as I can tell… by Marc Sabatella
I also don't understand why are dynamics applied to all staves of a part by default and not applied to 1 staff? I think the latter is the most usual. I mean in classical scores it was always the case because of you had an orchestra playing, and had two or three staves were the dynamic changed in the same moment, same dynamic, then you would just have to add 1 for each staff.
In reply to I also don't understand why… by [DELETED] 32872726
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Dynamics by default apply to the instrument. If that instrument happens to have more than one staff, it applies to all these staves, by default. There are not many instruments that do have multiple staves (Piano, Organ, marimba?), and for those this default makes perfect sense, as different dynamics for these staves are the exception rather then the norm.
If you though 'misuse' this to combine e.g. Flute 1 and Flute 2 into one 'instrument' with 2 staves, you'd have to live with the consequences of that 'misuse'
In reply to ? Dynamics by default apply… by Jojo-Schmitz
Well true I suppose, but I don't think that should be the case with other symphonic instruments. There are plenty of scores which have 2+ staves connected to the same name (part I guess).
In reply to Well true I suppose, but I… by [DELETED] 32872726
Which, besides Piano and Organ?
joining barlines and having a bracket doesn't make them one instrument with multiple staves
In reply to Which, besides Piano and… by Jojo-Schmitz
Wait, perhaps I'm not sure about what is done by default in Musescore... You mean that instruments like piano, harp and organ will make dynamics work for both staves by default but not for instruments like strings or brass or woodwinds?
In reply to Wait, perhaps I'm not sure… by [DELETED] 32872726
Every instrument in the strings, brass or woodwinds range only have a single staff, so yes, dynamics only apply to them individually
In reply to Every instrument in the… by Jojo-Schmitz
No I mean, in symphonic orchestral scores you see more than 1 staves connected to a single name. What happens there? Do dynamics apply to all staves by default or only one? I mean, is it like the organ or piano or not?
In reply to No I mean, in symphonic… by [DELETED] 32872726
Depends in it is set up. Should be single instruments, not one instrument with several staves.
Also important for the mixer, to be able to mute or solo, and for extracting parts
In reply to Depends in it is set up… by Jojo-Schmitz
Nah I meant like, inserting for example one bassoon part, and adding an additional stave in case you want to separate the 4 bassoons in 2 and 2, 2 per staff in other word.
In reply to Nah I meant like, inserting… by [DELETED] 32872726
This is quite common indeed. But I'm wondering this dynamics discussion is related to https://musescore.org/en/node/304456?
In reply to This is quite common indeed… by njvdberg
Oh true... should I mention it there? Or just linking this post to issue tracker (which you just did) is enough?
In reply to Oh true... should I mention… by [DELETED] 32872726
If it is a similar issue indeed, linking is enough for me. But for me, I'm glad both issue are related/similar since I was looking into this before the 3.6 storm came up :-)
In reply to If it is a similar issue… by njvdberg
Oh ok then, I'll leave this to the developers (Oh dank i'm so rude you don't have to tell me, unless there is something else I could do).
In reply to Here, it's not exactly the… by [DELETED] 32872726
Not able connecting staves is related to the new vertical staves justification. There are two workarounds
1) Disable the feature temporarily. You can find this in the Style form at the Page page (second page). Uncheck the option
Enable vertical justification of staves. Now dragging the staves works as expected. Later on this feature can be enabled again.2) Select a barline you want to stretch and in the inspector, select the option
Span to next staffand click onSet as staff default.In the meantime I will have a look why it not working as expected.
In reply to Not able connecting staves… by njvdberg
Okay, thanks.
In reply to Okay, thanks. by [DELETED] 32872726
The cause of this issue is found, PR is on it way. Thanks for reporting.
In reply to Not able connecting staves… by njvdberg
Solved with PR #7011.
In reply to Solved with PR #7011. by njvdberg
mmm that was fast. Thanks again.
In reply to Maybe... tho... I do think… by [DELETED] 32872726
Maybe... tho... I do think it's possible to fit this one, or maybe I'm wrong? Anyway, in this case I believe it should be great if it continued the measure in the next page (yes this isn't classical notation).
+1. In cases like this or non-mensural notation, when notes go out of the page horizontally, I'd love to see automatic and dynamic measure breaks, the same way a word processor splits a word when it's too long to fit in the page. This could be complemented with a warning to allow the user to decide whether they want the measure to break or prefer to change the page/staff size.
See also #305435: Automated system break for big measures.