How do I make an elevenlet over the course of a dotted quarter note?
I know it sounds ridiculous but it's what I hear and I'm dictating a piece so it is what it is. Thank you in advance.
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Figured it out,
You make each eighth note an elevenlet and have each note take 3 of the spaces. Yay.
In reply to Figured it out, You make… by cookie5
Is this what you mean?
In reply to Is this what you mean? … by DanielR
Thank you, I guess dotted quarter notes are considered third notes even though in reality they are 2.6th notes, lol
In reply to Thank you, I guess dotted… by cookie5
Not really, a dotted quarter note consists of 3 eighth notes. A tuplet always has to fit into the entire "vacant" space - in this case a dotted quarter note. So the tuplet is defined as 11 / 3, which gives you 11 eighth notes in place of the original 3 eighth notes.
In reply to Not really, a dotted quarter… by DanielR
That is how it wound up this time, but that isn't always the case. For example, if you want to put 10 notes across the space of a single eighth note, you don't put 10/1 in those settings. You put 10/8 because you want it in the space of an eighth note. Yes, I have done it this way.
So if that logic is placed in this scenario, they would consider a dotted quarter note a third note. Either that, or they simply reasoned a dotted quarter note is between a quarter note and a half note, and 3 is in between 2 and 4, and decided to keep things simple for programming purposes even though 1/3 is not directly between 1/4 and 1/2
The limitations will leave someday. Thank you again for your help.
In reply to That is how it wound up this… by cookie5
> "For example, if you want to put 10 notes across the space of a single eighth note, you don't put 10/1 in those settings. You put 10/8 because you want it in the space of an eighth note. Yes, I have done it this way."
No, you don't
A tuplet ratio is always defined as "how many things to fit of the type that would normally fit this many times into the selected duration".
Start from a 1/4th note a ratio of:
* 3/2 will give you 3 notes of the thing that'd otherwise fit 2 times in there (so 3 1/8ths)
* 3/4 will give you 3 notes of the thing that'd otherwise fit 4 times in there (so 3 1/16ths)
* 10/8 will give you 10 notes of the thing that'd otherwise fit 8 times in there (so 10 1/32ths)
In reply to > "For example, if you want… by jeetee
...and using 1/3 as the ratio on an 8th note will give you an error.
In reply to > "For example, if you want… by jeetee
@jeetee That's interesting. But why does it matter what type of notes are within the tuplet when the number above dictates the tempo of the notes? I've made a twelvlet over a half note where each note looks like a quarter note but sounds more like a sixteenth note. I thought the only reaseon "other" exists is because there are only 9 numbered buttons on the keyboard with value.
In reply to That's interesting. But why… by cookie5
A single number above doesn't tell the whole story. Consider, If you want, say, 7 notes in two beats (4/4 time), some people prefer to notate this as 7 eighth notes, others prefer to notate it as 7 sixteenth notes. The ratio lets you control which: whether it's 7 notes in the space of 4 (eighth notes), or 7 notes in the space of 8 (sixteenths).
In reply to That's interesting. But why… by cookie5
In some cases it can make more sense to show durations one higher or lower than the default to match more closely with indications on other staves or surrounding durations.
In reply to In some cases it can make… by jeetee
Fair enough I suppose. My apologies to Daniel, looks like I got moded. Weird system I guess but it makes sense. I guess it all depends on what you highlight. I probably shouldn't have quarter note twelvlets lol.
I'm transcripting this btw:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TGSaKrcL0eg&t=3280
It's until the organ and baritone come in.
In reply to Fair enough I suppose. My… by cookie5
Out of curiosity, which edition are you transcribing from? There are several on imslp.org:
https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Composers
In reply to Out of curiosity, which… by DanielR
All I know is it's Funeste Piagge from Jacopo Peri's Euridice. It was originally played on an organ but I want a piano to play it, and pianos can't sustain notes like organs can, so in this recording a harp is playing and I'm transcribing whatever he did. I looked on IMSLP, and I found a transcription in western notation, but it doesn't sound like what this harp player is doing at all and may be meant for an organ as well. It's from the oldest living opera, I wish I was faster at doing this but it is what it is. The changing time signatures and tempos do not help in the slightest.