Key change at repeat bar symbol
I have a piece of music with a key change in the first bar of a repeated section,so the key change symbol is right by the repeat barline. In Musescore 2 the layout is 'repeat bar > new key symbol'. In Musescore 3 this is reversed to become 'new key symbol > repeat bar line', which puts the key change symbol at the end of the bar prior to the first bar of the repeated section. I'm not sure which is technically correct but certainly the Musescore 2 layout seems more intuitive. Is there a workaround for this in MS3?
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See #285833: Request alternate position key signature when using begin repeat sign
For the record, the official recommendation from the recognized experts is for key change before, which is why we changed it. The key doesn't change at every repeat, it changes before the repeat. Implying otherwise is misleading and potentially confusing, so to me it's a very sensible recommendation.
In reply to For the record, the official… by Marc Sabatella
Thank you for you advice. I'm sure I'll get used to it. On the same topic, there does seem to be a difference between Page View and Continuous View. Continuous View puts in an additional bar line separating the key change symbol; Page View doesn't have this.
In reply to For the record, the official… by Marc Sabatella
Dear Marc, I think that this result is wrong: the keys doesn't change on the "left side" of the repetition. If so, you would play a repetition in one key for the first time and in another key for the second time. I think it should be fixed. Thank you.
In reply to Dear Marc, I think that… by Gregorio Maria Paone
It's not clear what you'r picture is supposed to be showing, or what the key was before. But unless it is meant to change from "neither C major nor A minor" in the measures before the end of the first repeated section to "either C major or A minor" at the beginning of the same section, it appears to show an improper notation. But in those two very special cases, indeed, your notation would be correct, so in those very special cases, you need to employ the workaround to get that instead of the standard notation.
In reply to It's not clear what you'r… by Marc Sabatella
Dear Marc, yes, I was in G major and on the right side of the repetition I wanted to go in C major. Anyway I have both MuseScore 2 and MuseScore 3 installed; when I need this special feature, I just use MuseScore 2; in all the other cases I use the 3.5.2 version.
In reply to Dear Marc, yes, I was in F… by Gregorio Maria Paone
I understand you want to go to C on the right side, but the way your examples shows, it looks like it is supposed to go to C when you take the first repeat - which is wrong. So again, MuseScore 3 is doing this correctly, please don't do your readers - or the people listening to them play - a disservice by making them think they need to go to C major when they take that first repeat! When they go back to the repeat that isn't shown to the left, they should still be in G, but your example makes it look incorrectly like they should be going to C. Thus, they will play F naturals when they should play F#'s the second time through, if they take this notation literally.
In reply to I understand you want to go… by Marc Sabatella
Yes, this is why I would like to put the key change on the right side and not on the left. I just don't know how to tell MuseScore 3 to do so, and I use MuseScore 2 which automatically does so. That's it, I don't make my readers confused, I just posted here what MuseScore 3 did automatically. I am actually satisfied with both MuseScore 2 and 3 and I keep them both installed to fix easily matters like this, without struggling with manual placement of elements.
In reply to Yes, this is why I would… by Gregorio Maria Paone
Now I'm confused. The picture you posted does not appear to have been created with MuseScore 3 - it doesn't normally make the mistake of placing the key before the repeat sign like that. Can you attach the actual score so I can understand better?
In reply to Now I'm confused. The… by Marc Sabatella
Yes, here you are.
In reply to Yes, here you are. by Gregorio Maria Paone
So you placed a end-start-repeat barline amids the measure, this won't playback nor deal with that key sig change properly. You need to split the measure first, then it looks like this:
![Example_for_Marc_Sabatella_with_MuseScore_352.png]( "Example_for_Marc_Sabatella_with_MuseScore_352.png")
In reply to So you places a end-start… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you so much for your help.