Considering of moving to Musescore from Finale-Sibelius
I'm a professional composer, started out on Finale and after using that for about 15 years I moved to Sibelius now been using that app (current version 8.7.2) for about 8-9 years. Lately I have been reading post about the Musescore and the open source idea which I really like. I'm hoping to have some convincing input making me more into moving to Musescore.
As far as I can see the playback is possible to match those in Finale and Sibelius?
Workflow is comparable to Sibelius?
Engraver can look almost as professional as Finale/Sibelius specially when using the new font in version 3.6?
And the regular updates in Musescore as well the open source community is one thing to consider, af far as I understand?
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Some professionals who have tried it are convinced of its goodness. Some have used it to publish educational texts. Visit the dedicated forum: https://musescore.org/en/forum/4488
In reply to Some professionals who have… by Shoichi
Thank you!
As with any such matters, you'll find strong opinions on all sides of the issue. I would say probably the general consensus - although hardly universally agreed upon - is that MuseScore is the easiest to learn and use of the three (four if you include Dorico), but that it lags behind in the quality of the default playback - like MuseScore today is only as good as Finale or Sibelius were 5-10 years ago. So if that's especially important to you it could be reason to hold off, at least until MuseScore 4 comes along and with it the promise of better playback. As for the engraving, we get a lot of details right in ways that Finale doesn't, and are close to on par with Sibelius in many respects, but people with an especially critical eye may notice some quirks in the basic note spacing that can result in the need to play with measure widths manually a bit.
In reply to As with any such matters,… by Marc Sabatella
Thank you very much for this igreat nfo about coming improvement of playback etc. I also noticed today when importing an .xml file of a .sib orchestral score that the note spacing in some bars were not very good as well as having some cue notes issues, so yes, maybe I should wait for the next upgrade before switching.
In reply to Thank you very much for this… by stefantrumpet1
Well, chances are pretty decent that the MusicXML import process itself is partially responsible for any really obviously issues in layout. The format just doesn't really capture all the information that would be needed to reproduce the original layout exactly, and the information that is present and honored during important often turning out to then be counterproductive, as the defaults of the two programs are different. I generally start out after any MusicXMl import by removing all system breaks (right-click one, Select / All Simialr Elements, Delete), also doing Ctrl+A to select all then Ctrl+R to reset manual adjustments that probably won't make sense anyhow, and a few other things to try to get back to a "clean slate". Then I can re-evaluate what new adjustments might be needed.
If you attach a sample MusicXML file - and maybe an image or PDF of how it looked in Sibelius originally - we can help.
In reply to Well, chances are pretty… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks, I'll try your tips now and if no better result Ill attach a sample MusicXML file and a pdf of the original
In reply to Thanks, I'll try your tips… by stefantrumpet1
this is how it looks, a few pages just containing one bar, removing all system breaks (right-click one, Select / All Simialr Elements, Delete), also doing Ctrl+A to select all then Ctrl+R to reset manual adjustments didn't do it, although not sure I did it correctly, in sibelius if this happen I just use the arrow key to move the bar, it doesn't seem to work the same in Musescore though
In reply to Well, chances are pretty… by Marc Sabatella
Here are an example of the result when importing the .xml from Sib. I tried to find thow to move bars (in Sib it's an arrow right or left, ) but no success yet
In reply to Here are an example of the… by stefantrumpet1
As mentioned, we can assist much better if you attach the actual MusicXML file. There is very little we can do from just a picture (although the picture of the expected layout from Sibelius at least is useful in addition to having the actual MusicXML file).
In reply to As mentioned, we can assist… by Marc Sabatella
ok, here is a compressed .xml the uncompressed was too large it didn't allow me
In reply to ok, here is a compressed … by stefantrumpet1
Here is the sibelius version how it is supposed to look, (in pdf )
In reply to Here is the sibelius version… by stefantrumpet1
The corruptions don't help, and unfortunately Sibelius' MusicXML export is known to be pretty bad in general. But could you maybe point to a few specific spots now where you wish to see the layout changed?
I can say there are a number of things going on that I'd want to clean up. One is that there seem to be a bunch of spurious frames - maybe the result of a failed conversion of a header? Probably best to just delete them all - right-click the first (title) frame, Select / All Similar Elements, then Ctrl+click the title frame to remove it from the selection, then Delete. Those frames are probably throwing off a lot of things.
I'd also recommend removing the existing page (different from system) breaks since where the pages naturally break in MuseScore won't necessarily match where they do in any other program. So again, right-click one, Select / All Similar Elements, Delete. Unless you find it helpful to keep the same page structure as in Sibelius, in which case you may need to reduce spacing to make sure certain systems fit.
In reply to The corruptions don't help,… by Marc Sabatella
thanks Marc, I'll try to follow the instructions.
The primary goal would be to have
the empty pages gone,
to have the pages containing only one bar being merged into the following page or the one the before,
also the Title and text is not on the first page
In reply to The corruptions don't help,… by Marc Sabatella
the empty pages is gone now after deleting all frames, however the pages with 1 bar only is still there, i'll keep try the "remove the existing page (different from system) breaks
In reply to the empty pages is gone now… by stefantrumpet1
not able to solve things like this yet though
In reply to not able to solve things… by stefantrumpet1
I still see a break, it's right there in your picture. Maybe you have a mix of system and page breaks, also maybe section breaks? Anyhow, delete it.
In reply to I still see a break, it's… by Marc Sabatella
Ok, Ill work on it again soon, dinner time now here, thanks a lot for all generous help so far, I really appreciated this community!
In reply to ok, here is a compressed … by stefantrumpet1
If I understand it correct in short (I diddn't follow the full thread; so if I misunderstand your request, sorry for it), one proper way should be to select the first measure of the system, extend the selection via ctrl+shift+arrow right until the the last measure of the same system, and choosing format->stretch->decrease layout stretch for this selection.
In reply to If I understand it correct… by kuwitt
thank, i'll try that now and see if it solving it
In reply to If I understand it correct… by kuwitt
thank you I keep trying to solve the spacing -bar issue still
In reply to ok, here is a compressed … by stefantrumpet1
Importing it into MuseScore reports lots of corruptions:
Measure 70, staff 1 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 2 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 3 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 6 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 7 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 8 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 12 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 13 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 14 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 16 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 17 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 18 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 20 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 21 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 22 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 23 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 24 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 25 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 26 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 27, voice 2 too long. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 32 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 33 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 34 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 35 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 36, voice 2 too long. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 70, staff 37 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 1 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 2 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 3 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 15 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 16 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 17 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 18 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 19 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 34, voice 2 too long. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 35, voice 2 too long. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 36 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 107, staff 37 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 1 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 2 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 3 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 4 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 5 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 6 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 9 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 15 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 16 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 17 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 18 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 19 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 20 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 21 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 22 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 23 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 24 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 25 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 26 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 27 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 28 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 29 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 30 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 31 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 32 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 33 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 34 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 35 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 36, voice 2 too long. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Measure 239, staff 37 incomplete. Expected: 49/64; Found: 1/1
Before doing anything else you'd need to fix those
In reply to Importing it into MuseScore… by Jojo-Schmitz
yes I noticed that too, and I wonder why is that? maybe that's why it looks a bit weird in note spacing and bars etc
In reply to yes I noticed that too, and… by stefantrumpet1
Yes, corruptions can have all kinds of bizarre effects
In reply to Yes, corruptions can have… by Jojo-Schmitz
was checking measure 70 in the original file, it looks ok, so this seems to be more complicated than correcting that bar, I also tried to Format -Layout increase or decrease etc, but not doing it, the score on Musescore has quite a few issues...also empty pages and cue notes not correct etc
In reply to yes I noticed that too, and… by stefantrumpet1
Above, in case you're not aware about it, here's a howto fixing corruptions with MuseScore: https://musescore.org/en/node/54721.
I'm not a professional composer – just an amateur – but there was a time when I felt that I had money burning a hole in my pocket and I was ready to buy the top-flight version of either Finale or Sibelius. But first, I decided to look at various "open source" alternatives. Several of these were unimpressive ... but then, I stumbled-upon MuseScore. And, well, to make a long story short, "that money is still in my pocket!" 🤠
Of course, I don't have any of the particular considerations that true professionals do. Therefore, I really can't speak to the question of whether or not it would make professional sense for any professional to "switch." But I can certainly say this: MuseScore continues to do everything that I could possibly think of for it to do ... "and it does it with grace and style." It's really been a very long time since I have been more impressed with any software product, whether I paid money for it or not.
In reply to I'm not a professional… by mrobinson
I agree that MuseScore is good and some professionals use it. It is also getting better -mostly, gradually.
However, I think that many serious professionals still prefer Sibelius or other tools. Partly it's what they're used to, but I think there can be advantages in some situations - for example with time critical tasks.
The major issues appear to be:
and for some
3. Quality of audio generated etc. - which can often be addressed by feeding out Midi into a DAW.
A lot also depends on how a composer organises his or her workflow. Some work exlusively with notation, some work exclusively with piano rolls, synthesisers and DAWs, and some work with both notation and other tools depending on need - and move their work between the various tools - not necessarily in only one direction.
You should be able to try MuseScore by importing files either as Midi files, or as MusicXML files from Sibelius or other notation tools. There are similarities between MS and Sibelius - though I hear that there are also some significant differences which affect some users.
For amateurs and students MS is almost a no-brainer, as it is free to use, will support many staves and mostly works and is good enough. The free or cheaper versions of other tools are usually too limiting, though students will probably be able to get a good discount on some versions - but not always the most powerful version of the other notation tools.
In reply to I agree that MuseScore is… by dave2020X
Here's a few additional thoughts.
I own Sibelius 7.5.1. I'm working with MuseScore because someday Sibelius won't work on some future version of Windows. I compose as a hobby, and am really only concerned about playback. Not the score. I'm not interested in the expense or learning curve of a DAW. So there's that.
If you compose for real players, then you use playback as a reference. The sounds MuseScore uses will suffice for this.
However, there are things I miss.
Where selecting instruments in the mixer in Sibelius was a process of working through organised menus, MuseScore has one long list of all the sounds. Sure you can type the first letters and you might get close. That is if you remember the exact name of the instrument. Let's see... was that Horn, or French horn, or Solo Horn. Scratch that last one. There is no solo horn in the default sound font.
The mixer is up for a revamp in the next major release. Except that you can add several different fonts to the mixer, all of which have there own instrument order with their own names. I hope for the best.
Adding lines like rit or accel will have no playback effect. Though there is a plug in.
If you want to add a measure or 4 at the end of a piece , you can't just select the last measure and hit "R". You use an append tool.
You can't add a quarter note on beat four in a measure that has a whole rest. You have to fill in rests for beats 1-3 first.
Music.xml from Sibelius will look different in MuseScore. But if you open that same mxl in Sibelius again, it will also not look like the original score.
Interestingly enough, the solo violin in MuseScore has vibrato. Sib. 7 has no vibrato on the solo violin. I was unable to find out if later versions corrected this. As I understand it, at least the early V 8 used the same sounds as V 7.
There are tricks to getting good playback in both programs.
The vast majority of things work pretty much the same between the two. If you are looking to produce a score and parts to hand to real players, MuseScore will certainly do the job just fine.
Plus there is excellent help here on the forum.
In reply to Here's a few additional… by bobjp
thanks a lot, lots of helpful insights
In reply to I agree that MuseScore is… by dave2020X
Thank you, yes I really wish it was time to switch to an open source program but I feel its a bit too early, I send my orchestral works and chamber music works to be played by orchestras so playback is used for a reference aIthough needed to sound ok. Also I think there is too much job having my library of sib. and finale music transfered via .xml to look ok, I left Finale long time ago, but could get a copy from my job, was trying now to see how it acts when importing .xml from Sib, but I find the learning curve is steep, it really feels so complicated compared to Sibelius although I remember its a matter of learning meta tools etc, anyway the community here seems so helpful, thanks again.
In reply to Thank you, yes I really wish… by stefantrumpet1
MuseScore isn't complicated. Just different. Just like any program new to you, you have to spend some time in Not really complicated, just different. You do have to spend some time in the manual. I know people who stay with Finale because Sibelius is too complicated.
Reference recordings.
I trust that you don't set up a score and let Sibelius chose the instruments. Default sounds are the least musical.
Playback from MuseScore can be made acceptable. But just like any platform, the best way is with a DAW
In reply to MuseScore isn't complicated… by bobjp
I haven't been using any DAW, I let Sibelius playback be the one I export the mp3 from, I don't have any DAW except Garageband, I tried to let Garageband play the score, but didn't notice any difference, I guess I should have sample library like Vienna etc?
In reply to I agree that MuseScore is… by dave2020X
hank you, yes I really wish it was time to switch to an open source program but I feel its a bit too early, I send my orchestral works and chamber music works to be played by orchestras so playback is used for a reference aIthough needed to sound ok. Also I think there is too much job having my library of sib. and finale music transfered via .xml to look ok, I left Finale long time ago, but could get a copy from my job, was trying now to see how it acts when importing .xml from Sib, but I find the learning curve is steep, it really feels so complicated compared to Sibelius although I remember its a matter of learning meta tools etc, anyway the community here seems so helpful, thanks again.
In reply to I agree that MuseScore is… by dave2020X
thank you, you mean it would without any doubts taking longer time to work with large orchestral scores in Musescore compared to Sibelius? and the layout wouldn't come out looking professional although learning how to tweak the Musescore etc?
In reply to I'm not a professional… by mrobinson
thank you, yes I really wish it was time to switch to an open source program but I feel its a bit too early, I send my orchestral works and chamber music works to be played by orchestras so playback is used for a reference aIthough needed to sound ok. Also I think there is too much job having my library of sib. and finale music transfered via .xml to look ok, I left Finale long time ago, but could get a copy from my job, was trying now to see how it acts when importing .xml from Sib, but I find the learning curve is steep, it really feels so complicated compared to Sibelius although I remember its a matter of learning meta tools etc, anyway the community here seems so helpful, thanks again.
In reply to thank you, yes I really wish… by stefantrumpet1
I have considered switching to Dorico as it has different features sadly missing in MuseScore.
But I won't do that for the following reason : using Dorico, or Sibelius or Finale implies all your work is saved in a proprietary format that can become unsupported.
MuseScore is sort of proprietary as well but probability of being still supported in the coming 30 years is much higher (without speaking of the cost as all other ones are dropping perpetual licence offering)
In reply to I have considered switching… by frfancha
yeah that's a good point indeed. Wish Musescore could read my xml scores a bit better though and the engraving to look better too, bar numbers so thick etc, but I maybe should check more carefully, the one I try to import is a 25 pages wind band score, so a bit complicated, but still I need those to be readable etc
In reply to yeah that's a good point… by stefantrumpet1
Bar number appearance can be changed if the default is not to your taste via [Format]>[Style]>[Text]>[Bar number] where you can select whatever font and font style is available on your PC. The appearance of most score items can be customised in the same way. Once you have the appearance you like, you can save those style settings and load to any other score.
It costs nothing other than time to investigate what MuseScore can do. Like most programs it is easy to get acceptable but not excellent results if you just use the default settings. But to get the most out of it you need to customise things to look the way you want and MuseScore has a lot of settings to tweak. Admittedly some of them are hidden rather deep and some are tucked away in unexpected places but once set it is just as easy to use customised settings as defaults.
In reply to Bar number appearance can be… by SteveBlower
thanks, yeah I suppose after spending time learning those customised settings it would look professional, right now I'm awaiting my job decision if they will upgrade to the latest Sibelius or not, I might get a negative reply and I'm considering trying to move over to Musescore either way, could anyone here send a sample of orchestral score with pretty complicated stuff a few pages, convincing me that Musescore has same capabilities as Sibelius or Finale or at least almost the same, that would strengthen me
In reply to thanks, yeah I suppose after… by stefantrumpet1
https://youtu.be/PrgQqYwIcek
(from https://musescore.org/en/node/321081 )
In reply to https://youtu.be/PrgQqYwIcek… by Shoichi
Thanks a lot!!I have been listening to half of the score, and this is just what I needed to see and hear. I won't normally write more complicated that rather less, mostly. Thanks for sending this, regarding playback, since I have accepted Sibelius playback, do I need a DAW and expensive sound libraries like Vienna etc, let me know, as i mentioned it's only used for reference for myself and when sending to the orchestra of course if it's sounding better than Sibelius its a bonus bit that lecvel is still ok for me, so let me know more about the DAW too
In reply to Thanks a lot!!I have been… by stefantrumpet1
Here are my two cents.
a low-level job ;-)
and...PDF
In reply to Here are my two cents. a low… by Shoichi
wow!! i'm totally amazed, ! Thanks a lot, I still realised there are lots of hours learning and tweaking the program, but I'm really impressed, this making me more strengthened in considering moving over, thanks again:)
In reply to wow!! i'm totally amazed, !… by stefantrumpet1
I just noticed that the .pdf missing note heads in cue notes, do you have any idea why? also, let me know how you made it looking ok so fast when you have time
In reply to I just noticed that the .pdf… by stefantrumpet1
Perhaps because they were made invisible?
In reply to Perhaps because they were… by Shoichi
yes you are right i made them invisible in the score and visible in the parts only
In reply to yes you are right i made… by stefantrumpet1
I was listening to the playback now which is worse tham sibelius, is there a way to get it play more similar the level of sibelius without having to use a DAW, (I only have Garageband and I don't know if you call that a DAW)
In reply to I was listening to the… by stefantrumpet1
You can try different soundfonts to see if one meets your liking more - see the Handbook section on that subject for more info.
In reply to You can try different… by Marc Sabatella
thanks, yeah I guess I have to study the handbook I realize that, what I'm looking for is the easy way sibelius playing back,(even though the sound is not so good but to me acceptable), hopefully when I have installed the SoundFonts it should work the same in Musescore, I mean when I select a wind orchestra template, it should be set from the beginning
In reply to Bar number appearance can be… by SteveBlower
thanks a lot
In reply to thanks a lot by stefantrumpet1
In some measures, e.g. 28, there are notes out of extension, MuseScore indicates them with red color
see: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/preferences#note-input
Attachment: I don't know if I have made them all visible
In reply to In some measures, e.g. 25,… by Shoichi
well they are cue notes in measure 27, flute 1, so not out of range, the problem is that Musescore didn't include the text flute 1
In reply to well they are cue notes in… by stefantrumpet1
Oops. But I don't see that text in your PDF (5:26 pm comment). It should be easy to make the changes in the *.mscz file, if you're testing 3.6.2.
In reply to Oops. But I don't see that… by Shoichi
yeah I noticed now that the pdf is empty there, not showing either cue notes nor rests, that's new to me, I thought pdf always included everything
In reply to yeah I noticed now that the… by stefantrumpet1
Elements made invisible (and any notes out of extension) are not printed or exported to PDF. You can view them or not on the score using the View menu.
In reply to Elements made invisible (and… by Shoichi
you are right, I just noticed that now...my original score in pdf didn't show those cue notes for the conductor, hmm, that's a lesson to learn, I shouldn't set -cues notes only visible in parts but also in score otherwise the conductor doesn't notice them, thanks for letting me know this
In reply to you are right, I just… by stefantrumpet1
correction--the conductor doesn't need to see those cue notes, although it looks weird with totally empty bars
In reply to correction--the conductor… by stefantrumpet1
https://musescore.org/en/node/46236 https://musescore.org/en/node/46226 ?
In reply to https://musescore.org/en… by Shoichi
thanks again, well the more I digging deeper into Musescore, I get more convinced to move, however I have tons a sibelius and Finale files that need to be batch processed to .xml, i'll etc, and a few composing projects ahead, so still not fully convinced doing this move now, but I feel I'm gonna do it soon, I really support the open source etc
In reply to thanks again, well the more… by stefantrumpet1
There's no rush, even a long journey begins with a small step and...we're here.
Buona musica!
In reply to There's no rush, even a long… by Shoichi
Grazie, Sii,
In reply to There's no rush, even a long… by Shoichi
when you have time, please tell me how you changed my pages that contained 1-2 measures only, I cant find that now, (making the pages to show 4-5 bars each I mean)
In reply to when you have time, please… by stefantrumpet1
Your *.mxl
page 8, 9, 15 etc. remove the page breaks
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/breaks-and-spacers
You can insert System breaks where needed or use Format/Add-Remove System breaks.
In the attachment every 12 measures
In reply to when you have time, please… by stefantrumpet1
Some observations.
Musicxml is not 100% dependable, even in the platform in which it was created. I opened a score I created in MuseScore. Export as an mxl. Reopened in Musescore and there are subtle differences. Nothing like pages missing, but still, not exactly the same.
I opened your file in my version of Sibelius. My 7.5.1 is older than yours. There were several mistakes in the score. They may not be in the original, but they are there in mine. I cannot export another mxl because of them.
I tried several different export settings from Musescore to try to get an mxl that would load into Sibelius and in turn export out of Sibelius as mxl. Almost any settings but the default worked. But still had long measures and empty pages. Some produced a title page. Which I suspect your original has.
Load your file back into Sibelius and see if percussion notes starting in bar 17 are on their lines.
Playback. Sibelius-34 GB vs MuseScore-less than 1 GB of sounds.
Amazingly enough, it is possible to get good enough playback from MuseScore. But, just like Sibelius, you have to resort to some slight of hand. I have been greatly surprised.
Your biggest problem will be trying to work with all your past scores. On one hand, do you really need to. If you have pdfs of score and parts and a recording, do you need more? I realize that for a composer, a piece is never really finished.
In reply to Some observations. Musicxml… by bobjp
Thanks a lot I just woke up. Yes I agree my problem is to get older scores look the same without too much job. Still I want them archived as they are in Sibelius and finale for further use.by the way I imported one more yesterday noticing barlines was invisible on pages with shifting bars one after another otherwise it looks pretty much the same and the bar lines on most pages were there . That’s weird..I’ll look into the playback thing soon too thanks a lot
Hey! Could you please share your experience with Musescore comparing to Sib since you have switched to it? Because I'm actually thinking of switching to Sib or Finale. I'm helping to restore some handwritten archives and I work with huge symphonic stuff. When I worked with small pieces for children it was ok, but here I experienced quite a lot of bugs. For some of them I have found how to get around, for other no. It is Implode function, grace notes (that are in some cases different in parts and partitura), grouping, uniting voices, even saving the file after using certain function. The only way to save in some cases is not to press the save button, but go to the menu file - save as - and save it with another name. At this moment new file will be created and the old one will crash without saving any changes you have made. Sometimes you cannot drag and drop as it is written in manual. You need only to double click. All of that takes a lot of time to figure out why it fappens and how to get it around.
What can you say, Sib is more stable or not?
In reply to Hey! Could you please share… by Тетяна Іванко
I'd encourage you to report the bugs in separate threads here so we can investigate further and potentially suggest workarounds. Also, some of what you are experiencing may simply be misunderstandings about how MuseScore works, and we'd love to help you with that as well.
In reply to I'd encourage you to report… by Marc Sabatella
Last time I reported a bug you guys tried at first to protect it convincing me that the software is ok and what happened was just my misunderstanding of how the program works. So I had to explain how any program should work with what user saved and when user must see the result of his action. And the last comment was a little bit aggressive. I could help you with other bugs like a person who tested it really deeply. But I don't want to deel with someone's protective reaction.
I just want the author of this post to reply as I'm searching for the information.
In reply to Last time I reported a bug… by Тетяна Іванко
I don't see any recent thread with your participation where anything like that happened
In reply to Last time I reported a bug… by Тетяна Іванко
I'm not sure what you mean by aggressive, but it seems you are misunderstanding things here. The only relevant thread I see from you is a case of you doing something that was never intended to even be possible in the first place, and indeed, it didn't produce the result you expected, and then triggered a bug also. You are right that this was a bug, and most likely it will be fixed, by simply disallowing the operation in the first place, because as explained, it was never intended to have been supported. It's true that doing unsupported things shouldn't produce different results on save - they should simply be disallowed. So I assume that will be fixed in the future.
Meanwhile, though, bug or not, as explained, the thing you were doing was never intended to work, so we simply explained the correct way to achieve that result. The bug should then be completely irrelevant. When you use the feature correctly,y it works correctly. Yes, bad things happen if you use it incorrectly, so, while waiting for a fix that actively prevents you from doing that, you can simply avoid doing it yourself.
Anyhow, again, it's likely there are some other misunderstandings here, possibly other bugs as well - and almost certainly simple workarounds for any of those, So again I invite you to start new threads explaining what you are having trouble with, so we can continue doing our best to help you use MuueScore effectively.
In reply to I'm not sure what you mean… by Marc Sabatella
So we go to the next round of protecting the bug. Ok, answer please the next question. When the user is supposed to see the result of pressing a button? 1) right after pressing it 2) tomorrow If he/she sees it tomorrow is it a bug o a feature?
Independently if he/she pressed it right or wrong. I don't know why I should explain that. Shouldn't I press the button, see that result is different from what I expected and search for another way to achieve it?
You said I did what was not supposed. Ok. Than it shouldn't work for all rests, right? But no, it is ok fo 99% of cases. I did it, it is saved and it is ok, the only case is if the rest is between two united notes and in this case you don't see the result at once, but tomorrow. Why to discuss the obvious thing?
I have been using Musescore for several years already helping teachers in my daughter's school, and I haven't experienced issues described above in previous comment. For simple small things it is ok - piano piece, violine and piano, string quartet etc. All decsribed above in previous comment came out only while working on a big symphonic overture. I don't know what is the reason - the size of a file, or some instrument conbination. I also deleted rests in second vioce without any troubles. Now I understand that I didn't have such a thing as rest between united notes.
But ok, I see you are not interested in what I have found else. You are more interested in conviencing me that I was wrong. Anyway, not many people will experience those troubles as not a lot of them work on symphonic stuff.
In reply to So we go to the next round… by Тетяна Іванко
No one is "protecting bug". We're acknowledging it's a bug , we're pointing out that a fix isbeing worked on, and - most importantly - we're helping you solve the problem by showing your the correct way to do the thing you were doing that was triggering the bug.
So yes, when you press a button, then if it is a supported action in the first place, you should see the result right away. The thing you were doing wasn't really meant to be supported, which is why the bug exists and is being fixed. But 99.99999999% of the time, pressing a button performs the action correctly. Bugs happen in all software, so we learn to report them and find solution s and move on,.
Anyhow, again, if you are finding some other issues, be sure to report those as well. Some might turn out to be actual bugs, some might turn out to be misunderstandings, but either way , our main goals is to help you get things done, and to make sure MuseScore continues to improve! I don't know where you got the idea we are interested in what else you have found - on the contrary, we're practically begging you to report problems you find!
All I can say about MuseScore is that, a number of years ago, I had money burning a hole in my pocket and I was prepared to buy the top-dog version of either Finale or Sibelius. (I am an amateur musician who doesn't have to send files to anyone, so I had free choice.) Well, I first decided to check out Lillypond ... "not so much." Then I looked at MuseScore ... and my searching STOPPED. I never did buy either of the commercial products, because I had no further reason to consider it.
Obviously, if you are working on a team production project and they say, "We use 'X', version 'Y'," then so will you. If it costs money, "that's a business expense."
MuseScore does more than I need it to do. It proved to be extremely stable. (I have so far found only one bug, and it was quickly fixed) An extremely impressive piece of software ... and I'm a professional programmer. The teams that achieved this have every reason to be very proud of themselves and the quality of what they have accomplished. May it continue. This website and the surrounding community (downloadable scores and so on) is also impressive. You've done tremendous things for musical education and production. Go ahead, team: "take a bow."
In reply to All I can say about… by mrobinson
Sadly though I find some of the difficulties with the current and previous versions of MuseScore more and more depressing. A lot will depend on what you want to do with the tool.
If you don't need playback at all it's probably pretty good for engraving, though so I hear is Dorico, and maybe also some others such as Sibelius.
If you have money to spare, or are a member of a production team, then perhaps consider Dorico or Sibelius.
I would have spent money to have a new version of a system which can combine separate pieces into collections, or the separate movements of a symphony into a whole. That kind of feature was available in MuseScore 2 - and if you're prepared to try that, it's still available, but that would lose many of the refinements in later versions - 3 and 4. I thought Dorico might have that feature, but I looked into it, and it seemed to me that it was also a bit kludgy - so I didn't bother. I don't know about Sibelius.
If you do need playback - for example for demo purposes, then almost certainly couple a notation program with a DAW. Some people are using Reaper quite successfully in this way. Using a DAW opens up a wider range of possible sounds, though can increase the work required considerably.
Hopefully the niggles of the present versions of MuseScore will eventually disappear, but they are a pain right now. However do remember (a) the very low cost of MuseScore [free], and the possibilty of having a very large number of staves in a score. Other software to handle large scores tends to cost a considerable amount.
MuseScore 4 can use a variety of VST, VST3 etc. plugins, and some work well. To date though, there may still be some issues with articulation in the rendition of sounds. It can also hande some VST effects, though it is probably better to use a DAW to do the fine shaping of any sonic renditions. That's OK for those who are prepared to use more than one tool to get good or better results.