Playback of Voices and Staffs in SATB Arrangements
When composing 4 part vocal arrangements in SATB format, I want to use voices 1-4 so I can mute them and play back just a single voice at a time. When I enter the voices 3 and 4 in the lower staff, however, I get the rests for voices 1 and 2. I know I can go back and make those invisible, but that seems tedious. Is there a way to enter 4 part harmony and mute individual voices for each part? I know the recommendation is to use voices 1 and 2 over again in the lower staff, but then muting voice 1 mutes it in both staffs. Suggestions?
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Don't do that. Use voice 1 in every staff. You can mute (and solo) the individual instrument, Soprano, Alto, Tenor and Bass, no need to resort to muting voices
BTW: you don't get rests in voice 2, or if you do you can delete them.
If you are creating a 'closed' SATB score (2 voices per each of 2 staves) you can use voice 1 & 2 for the 'Women' instrument and voice 1 & 2 for the 'Men' instrument. You can then mute individual voices in the Mixer. Simply select either 'Women' or 'Men', then choose which voice (1 or 2) to mute.
In reply to If you are creating a … by Jm6stringer
Or use the S/A resp. T/B texts from the text palette and mute the corresponding channels in Mixer
In reply to If you are creating a … by Jm6stringer
It is a closed SATB score and I have the voices used this way. I have the mixer expanded to see the individual parts. The problem is clicking the Soprano Mute also mutes the whole Women's channel, as does the Tenor in the Men's. I can independently mute the Altos or Basses, but not the Sopranos or Tenors.
In reply to It is a closed SATB score… by JeffLentz
Well, then it is not really a 4 part arrangement as you wrote in the initial post...
Anyway, always and in every staff start with voice 1, if need be add voice to, try to avoid 3 and 4, only use these if absolutly needed and voice 1 and 2 are already used.
The Mixer works for Sopranos and Tenors the same as for Altos and Basses. the slider only seems to influence the entire part, but doesn't
In reply to Works for Sopranos and… by Jojo-Schmitz
It has 4 parts, so I'm not sure how it's not really a 4 part arrangement. It needs to be formatted as closed SATB for congregational sheet music distribution. This is the intended use of closed SATB format. I initially wanted to use voices 3 and 4, which would have been simpler, but ran into the rests problem.
Are you saying your Mixer lets you independently mute any of the 4 parts? Mine does not. I can only independently mute the Altos and Basses, but not the Sopranos or Tenors. Mine does not work the same for both. Wondering if this is a bug.
You wrote:
I have the mixer expanded to see the individual parts.
I see what you mean.
Try this (without expanding the Mixer):
![SATB.png]( "SATB.png")
Here's a test file: SATB closed.mscz
In reply to You wrote" I have the mixer… by Jm6stringer
This was my first thought, but my 4 parts use only voices 1 and 2 to avoid the spontaneously-generated rests in the lower staff, and if I mute voice 1, it mutes parts 1 and 3, likewise 2 mutes parts 2 and 4.
In reply to This was my first thought,… by JeffLentz
Reading through past discussions of this back into earlier versions, even, the recommendation was for closed SATB to use voices 1 and 2 in the lower staff, but then the Mute Voice buttons don't provide independent control. The mixer, it seemed, was the intended solution for the latest release, but it doesn't seem to be controlling the channels like it should. I think I'm going to have to just switch to 4 voices and ignore the mixer and manually hide the rests.
In reply to Reading through past… by JeffLentz
Unless you are trying to put four independent parts on a single staff - which would be highly discouraged! - you should absolutely not need four voices. Voices 1-2 for each staff is completely sufficient. If you attach your score, we can help show you where things went astray, but it definitely does work when done correctly, no hiding of anything required.
In reply to This was my first thought,… by JeffLentz
If you continue to have trouble, we would need you to attach your score and give precise steps to reproduce the problem. Then we can understand and assist better.
In reply to This was my first thought,… by JeffLentz
Please attach a closed SATB score using only voices 1 & 2 in each of the two staves.
Let us know which voice you wish to mute,
In reply to Please attach a closed SATB… by Jm6stringer
I would like to listen to the Soprano/lead part with each of the others independently, so as an example, I'd like to mute the Alto and Tenor and just hear how the Soprano and Bass sound together as I'm composing.
Thank you!
In reply to I would like to listen to… by JeffLentz
Try this. It uses the S/A and T/B staff texts I've been talking about and mutes the Alto and Bass channels
In reply to Try this by Jojo-Schmitz
I see you muted the Tenor without doing it in the mixer or Mute Voice panel, but I can't see how you did it.
In reply to I see you muted the Tenor… by JeffLentz
I see you muted the Tenor without doing it in the mixer or Mute Voice panel, but I can't see how you did it.
In reply to I would like to listen to… by JeffLentz
I'd like to mute the Alto and Tenor and just hear how the Soprano and Bass sound together as I'm composing.
Or try this:
Alto+tenor_muted.mscz
In reply to I'd like to mute the Alto… by Jm6stringer
GOT IT! Thanks! The Mute Voice buttons are specific to the channel that's selected in the lower panel. I totally did not get that. I wasn't seeing that the channel info in the upper section changed as the rolled-up channels were selected below. Thank you.
In reply to GOT IT! Thanks! The Mute… by JeffLentz
The Mute Voice buttons are specific to the channel that's selected in the lower panel.
Yes, see the image I posted above with Tenor channel selected and voice 1 muted.
(Re: Jojo's attachment)
In reply to GOT IT! Thanks! The Mute… by JeffLentz
It needs those staff texts to work tough
In reply to It needs those staff texts… by Jojo-Schmitz
That's a whole other learning area for me. I just started with the closed SATB template and haven't had any troubles with it. Does that automatically pull in the staff texts?
In reply to That's a whole other… by JeffLentz
Thank you all for the help. Was trying hard to finish this song up this afternoon to test it out tonight and the playback control threw me for a loop. I think I'm back on track now.
In reply to That's a whole other… by JeffLentz
No, the templates do have them, but they get lost when creating a score from them and need to get re-added