How to make tutti sound
I'm a new user. I don't know how to make tutti sound on musescore. I know how to make "tutti" as a word, but i don't know how to make the sound. I mean, as far as i know, the default sound of instrument is solo (only 1 instrument, e.g. Violin solo), but i oftenly hear on musescore like more than 1 violin. How to make that sound? Please help me, i hope you guys get my question.
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There's not just violin, but also violins, with a different sound.
In reply to There's not just violin, but… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you so much 🙏
In reply to There's not just violin, but… by Jojo-Schmitz
If there is "Violins," I am not seeing it.
In reply to If there is "Violins," I am… by Geoffrey T Falk
In the Add Instruments dialog search for "viol" and find "Violins", amongst others.
In Mixer there are several sounds for Violin and Violins, best use one that ends with "Expr." (needed for the sound to support Single Note Dynamics)
In reply to If there is "Violins," I am… by Geoffrey T Falk
Use the search box to find the "Violins", etc.
In reply to If there is "Violins," I am… by Geoffrey T Falk
I figured it out. "Violins" doesn't show up in the master list. You have to search for it and then it appears.
So when selecting your instruments, add the one labeled Violins (plural), instead of the one labeled Violin (singular). If you've already added the wrong one, right-click the staff, Staff/Part Properties, Change Instrument, then select the correct one.
In reply to So when selecting your… by Marc Sabatella
Thank you so much 🙏
In reply to So when selecting your… by Marc Sabatella
This is quite interesting. Is there also a "solo" marking.? I can't actually find "tutti" in my version of MS - so it doesn't look to me as though MS currently supports this - but I may have missed something.
I think what is wanted is:
This could be useful for some scores - for example Concerti Grossi.
I'm not sure how some complex scores are actually currently marked. For example, Vaughan Williams - Fantasia on theme of Thomas Tallis - which has a string quartet. Maybe the quartet part is written out separately - I'll have to check - but that would be an example of where a notation "Tutti" alternating with "Solo" or even "Quartet" would make some sense.
WIthout that level of support, end users will have to make their own changes to the sound at appropriate points in the scores - probably using the Mixer - or alternatively write out the music on additional staves.
In reply to This is quite interesting… by dave2020X
There is no tutti or solo in MuseScore (well, there's a solo on the Mixer, but that doesn't count here), but you could use an instrument change between violin and violins and change the text for those to tutti/solo as needed
In reply to So when selecting your… by Marc Sabatella
I do not see "Violins," only "Violin" in the instrument list.
In reply to I do not see "Violins," only… by Geoffrey T Falk
You have to select "orchestra" which gives you the option to select Violin or Violins.
Rest is just C&P from violin to Violins (or Cello to Cellos)
If it says "Tutti" in the score, it usually means "all orchestra together" or "All choir together" or both (Some works have "tutti" parts).
The tutti sound here is formed only by the whole orchestra playing together, there is no different tutti sound.
If it is on only one staff, it means "those who read this staff (two or more people sharing the score) will now play together from this point on." eg: .... "solo" ... "tutti" ...
It should also be stated which chair will play solo (if not specified, it is the person in the 1st seat (ie group leader)
In this case, you have to switch from the respective instrument's solo patch to the ensemble patch. eg: Cello => Celli or Viola => Violas, etc ...
In Woodwinds and Brass staffs, numbers are put for solo indicating which instrument it belongs to. eg: 1, 2; In the case of unison, this is usually shown as a2. // a2: "all two"
In reply to If it says "Tutti" in the… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Indeed, "Tutti" is commonly marked in the orchestral parts of a concerto to indicate to the orchestral player passages where the soloist is not taking the lead or not involved at all. The parts are marked "Solo" where the soloist starts to feature again. See this example from the 1st flute part for the 2nd movement of the Mozart Clarinet Concerto.
It is clear that the clarinet has the lead in the first 8 bars. Then the clarinet rests while the orchestra answers the initial 8 bar statement and here the orchestral players are marked "Tutti". The "Solo" markings in bars 1 and 17 would not make much sense as an instruction to the flautist to play 8 bar silent solos.
In reply to Indeed, "Tutti" is commonly… by SteveBlower
Re "The "Solo" markings in bars 1 and 17 would not make much sense as an instruction to the flautist to play 8 bar silent solos" - surely that would have the same effect in practice!
Remember the discussion about Punkt Kontrapunkt by Gerard Hoffnung - "This note is not on the instrument. The player must not play it, only think it".
Thanks for the example though. For printing/engraving purposes staff or system text should suffice.
Playback and mixing is something else.
In reply to Re "The "Solo" markings in… by dave2020X
Re "The "Solo" markings in bars 1 and 17 would not make much sense as an instruction to the flautist to play 8 bar silent solos" - surely that would have the same effect in practice!
No, In practice the flautist would not get to take a bow or receive the bouquet for those 8 bar silent solos, even though staying silent in those 8 bars is pretty much essential. That is the way it is when you play in a backing group - no limelight, no thanks, and not much money.
In reply to Re "The "Solo" markings in… by SteveBlower
Ah - you're talking about social effects now. Also the audience members would be unlikely to know about the "solo" passages. Are there union regulations regarding payment for solos - which could perhaps also have an effect? "It says solo for 74 bars, so you need to pay me an extra $74" !!!!
In reply to Re "The "Solo" markings in… by dave2020X
I can't tell for sure, but I think two rather different meanings of these terms are being discussed. In the example above, there is no possible or desirable playback effect - these term are purely informational, like measure numbers or rehearsal marks. They are to tell a player in an orchestra what others are doing.
The other usage is for a section like a 1st violins - when it says "solo", it means all but one stop playing, when it says "tuttit", they all start again. That is easy to do in playback, just add the marking as an instrument change and switch from a solo to section sound.
In reply to I can't tell for sure, but I… by Marc Sabatella
Re "That is easy to do in playback, just add the marking as an instrument change and switch from a solo to section sound." - yes that can be done, but is it compatible with notational practice as well as driving the MuseScore player?
In other words can the text "Tutti" be associated with all the appropriate ensemble section, while "Solo" be associated with just the solo instrument - so that playback is automatic.
I'm not sure that can be done in MuseScore as it currently exists, but if it can, I'd like to know how.
In reply to Re "That is easy to do in… by dave2020X
Yes, exactly as I said. Add the "solo" and "tutti" as instrument changes (from the Text palette), and select the appropriate instrument / sound for them. Either by selecting a new instrument when adding the text, or by reusing the same instrument but using the Mixer to change the playback sound for the new subchannel.
Or maybe you mean, is there a way to skip the extra few seconds of selecting the instrument/sound? Not that I can think of. You could try adding the customized text back to your palette, but those instrument settings would be instrument-specific and/or soundfont-specific, so even if they survived the trip to the palette, they'd be unlikely to have the desired effect when placed in the future. Still, at least the text itself would be there, you'd just have to choose the instrument/sound.
In reply to Yes, exactly as I said. Add… by Marc Sabatella
Not quite I think, unless you know about features which I don't.
Indeed "Change Instr." could be used to change the instrument/sound to that of a single Violin. The text would then show "To Violin". Assuming that was associated with the solo, the sound could then be matched in the Mixer to that for a single violin. Then the text would have to be amended to "Solo".
Similarly, reverting back to the full ensemble, a similar process would have to be adopted, but this time associating the instrument with the sound of a larger group, and changing the text back to "Tutti". This would require manual intervention for each instance, unless there's a way of combining the operations into a macro, or there is some other feature I've not been aware of so far.
In reply to Not quite I think, unless… by dave2020X
What Marc indicated, do it to one such a text, then place it into a palette for reuse.
In reply to What Marc indicated, do it… by jeetee
Is it possible to create new texts for the palettes? In that case then "Tutti" and "Solo" could be created for the palettes, and made to have the actions of "Change Instrument" and also set the Mixer to the appropriate sounds. Otherwise I don't see how it can be done with the current version.
In reply to Is it possible to create new… by dave2020X
Again, yes; create the text as it should be in the score, then add it to a palette of your choosing.
See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/palettes#custom-palettes on how to customize palettes.
In reply to Again, yes; create the text… by jeetee
Just about managed to get that to work - but it doesn't work completely. Dragging the text from the text palette to a note opens a dialogue to change instruments - even if that has already been done once. Then when the appropriate instrument is selected the text "To 'instrument-name' " appears yet again - so doesn't really save a lot of time or help too much.
The instructions for changing the palette or editing it are slightly obscure too - the thing to look for is the ... (three dots) to the top right to enable editing, then use the key combinations to get the edit to function. Somewhat arcane, and doesn't work well enough to be really useful I feel - shame.
In reply to Just about managed to get… by dave2020X
You shouldn't need to do any of that, it's as simple as Ctrl+Shift+drag into the palette - no enable editing, no"...", no other special combinations. It's literally as simple as Ctrl+Shift+drag, that's one of the great advances made back around 3.3 or so. Not sure where you're getting the rest of that from?
Anyhow, it's true that if you add the custom text from the palette, it still shows the dialog, but if you simply hit Esc, you get your text, no harm done.
In reply to You shouldn't need to do any… by Marc Sabatella
I was getting my information from the handbook - which I looked up by doing a Google search.
I wasn't sure if you really meant CTRL - as I'm using MacOS. I have got this to work - sometimes - but it seems erratic. Dragging from the score to the palette is a bit tricky as there's no visual feedback that the drag is going to work - but I have managed it a couple of times. Going back from the palette to the score - it usually creates the dialogue - and I've had it give the desired result by hitting Esc once or twice - but perhaps more often it doesn't work.
Partly this might be because of some hardware issues I'm having with the wireless mice I've been using on this machine.
It doesn't really affect me too much as I didn't really want to create those particular text commands anyway - though if I ever find anything I really do want to do that technique might be useful - if I can get it to work more reliably.
I'm not sure whether it would be more or less reliable on an M1 based Apple machine - I've heard very good things about the new machines with the M1 chips. Has anyone you know tried with MuseScore on those machines?
In reply to I was getting my information… by dave2020X
When doing a Google search, be sure you don't find yourself on an obsolete version of the Handbook. At the the top any obsolete page should be a link to the current page. Unfortunately, Google seems not good about prioritizing the recent versions. The link that was posted in the comment previously takes you directly to the current page, FWIW.
As for whether it's Ctrl or Cmd on macOS, I don't actually know. I would assume Cmd on general principles, but there are definitely still a few things where Ctrl really is Ctrl. But you should be getting the standard drag & drop feedback - we use the OS's own default mouse cursors for this, at least on other OS's.
You say adding from the palette often "doesn't work" - what specifically do you mean? I've never had clicking a palette element (no need to resort to drag & drop for adding elements from the palette) fail to add an element to the selected notes/rests. And I've never had Esc fail to close a dialog. And I've never had the custom text I created fail to remain in effect after closing a dialog.
As for M1, all reports are that it works flawlessly with the emulator (Rosetta?)
I still don't know how. I'm wanting to transcribe Haydn's awesome Symphony Number 72. I want to transcribe the Fourth Movement. How do I transcribe it?
In reply to I still don't know how. I'm… by Dylan_Rocks
Can you be more specific about what you are having trouble with? Have you installed MuseScore yet? Have you started it? Have you created the score and added the instruments yet?
In reply to Can you be more specific… by Marc Sabatella
Here's the thing about the fourth movement. The solo bass in the fourth variation should be part of the basses in the strings, the solo cello in the second variation should be part of the cellos in the strings and the solo violin in the third variation should be part of the first violins in the strings. How do I transcribe the theme to the coda without showing the violin solo except for in the third variation or the cello Solo in the second variation or the bass solo in the fourth variation?
In reply to Here's the thing about the… by Dylan_Rocks
You can "Hide when empty" in Staff/part properties
In reply to You can "Hide when empty" in… by sammik
Here's the thing. I want the solo violin to double the first violins and the solo cello to double the cellos and the solo bass to double the basses. The problem is if I were to put what the solo violin or solo cello or solo bass would play, it would show up in the main score. How can they only show in the variation where they don't double their respective instruments?
In reply to Here's the thing. I want the… by Dylan_Rocks
I would left solos empty, when are doubling tutti and write only measures when differs.
Doing this, You are able to hide empty "Solo" measures in Score
(Format - Style - Hide empty)
To create Part, I would add both solo violin and tutti violin to part, and also select "Hide empty"
In reply to Here's the thing. I want the… by Dylan_Rocks
And don't forget that the bottom line of the strings orchestra is the cellos and basses sounding an octave apart.
I read through the comments, but I think your question was on how to get Muse Score have violins (multiple violins) play a part instead of violin (single).
Select Edit => Instruments => you will see "Common" selected by default, select "Orchestra" instead => under Strings Bowed (or Plucked) select "Violins".
If you already have a part scored for Violins, copy and paste it into Violins to have the sound played by multiple violins.
Tutti on the other hand just means all parts with the phrase "Tutti" have to play with the rest of the orchestra.