Two clefs at the same beat
Hello, I want to put two clefs on the same bar at the same beat, as in the image below.
How can I do that with MuseScore? I'm using MuseScore 4 btw.
Any help is appreciated.
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It is not very clear what you want.
If you want to change the clef so that you have both staves with treble clef you can select a measure and click on a clef in the pallet or if you want to change clef mid-measure, click on the note that you want the clef to appear before and as before, click on a clef in the pallet.
If you want two notes of different duration on the same beat, you need to put them in different voices. See here https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/voiceso for more detailed information.
If you want something else, please come back and describe your problem in more detail.
Also note that MuseScore version 4 is still under development. There are a few bugs still being sorted and therefore I would recommend you not to use it other than for testing purposes.
In reply to It is not very clear what… by SteveBlower
Thank you for your quick reply. What I'm looking for is what I attached as a picture. Tremble clef and bass clef both at the same bar and at the same beat
In reply to Thank you for your quick… by Tropax
This is the place to look in the handbook then https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/clefs
MuseScore currently does not support per-voice clefs within a staff afaik.
So the trick is to pick one of them to add for real, and add the other as a staff text (so you can size it as you please). You can then further tune out overlaps using a blank space staff text with a frame/highlight to fit underneath the clef text and stafflines, but above the slur as per attached example.
Pick the clef that makes the most sense going onwards as the real one. And use "fix to line" on the notes of the other clef to make them appear where you need them. In the attached example I choose to use the bass clef as the real one and fake the treble clef.
In reply to MuseScore currently does not… by jeetee
I understand the question now - two clefs on the same stave at the same time. Yes, trickery (not included in the handbook) is indeed needed as jeetee says.
Well, except that this as improper notation as it can possibly be. The treble and bass clef symbols are not random things. As you know, the treble clef sign is also known as G clef. the bottom part circles the G line on the staff. The bass clef sign has the two dots around the F, is also know as F clef. The only sign that is movable is the alto clef. In this image, the top note in the lower staff would be an F. The lower would be a D.
Better to find a proper way to do this.
I know it might sound snooty. Just because you see it in print doesn't mean it is correct.
In reply to Well, except that this as… by bobjp
Hello, I understand what you are saying but I genuinely don't think there is another way of writing this passage. It was the composer who choose to put it in this way.
Anyway, thank you for your comment
In reply to Hello, I understand what you… by Tropax
Of course you and the composer are free to do as you wish. And it depends on if you want playback or not. If you want playback (which is the whole point of notation software), you'll have to find a different method. If not, there are certainly ways to graphicly show this.
In reply to Of course you and the… by bobjp
Two things:
With jeetee's proposal, playback will work.
The whole point with notation software is not playback! The whole point with DAWs and sequencers is playback, but the main point of notation software, including MuseScore, is to produce printed music that can be read and played by human musicians.
In reply to Two things: With jeetee's… by AndreasKågedal
Im not interested in playback, because, as you said, the point is that the score is read by a person. I just didn't know how I could write two clefs for different voices in the same bar in MuseScore.
Thank you for replying
In reply to Two things: With jeetee's… by AndreasKågedal
You're right. My statement was an incomplete thought. When you think about it, if software can playback something, that increases the chances of a real player being able to play it. I'm not saying the above notation is unreadable by humans. Sure, I think that it should be done using symbols from the master palette, and be done with it.
There are DAW users who use notation before and after DAW work.
In reply to Hello, I understand what you… by Tropax
Definitely there are other ways - cross-staff notation is one possibility, ledger lines are another. Also, decisions like this are normally made by the editor, not the composer.
In reply to Definitely there are other… by Marc Sabatella
Hello, the score is an Urtext edition, so it was the composer who choose to put it this way. Can you elaborate a little bit more on your solution? I have followed what someone previously said and inserted the clefs as symbols through the master pallette.
Thank you for your time
In reply to Hello, the score is an… by Tropax
If you wish to keep that same notation, then indeed, that’s the right way to do it. I was just responding to the idea that this is the only way it could be orated in the first place. It’s not, and I listed a couple of other ways to notate it. Most likely a professional editor would have chosen to, well, edit it, if the composer wrote something like this. But indeed, an urtext will try to preserve the quirks of the composers own notation and not introduce editorial corrections to the notation. So if you also are trying to do an urtext, best to keep it. Otherwise, I’d certainly considering a less awkward notation. None of the choices are ideal though.
I hope this isn't a piano score. Because there is no logical way to hold that upper extended "e" note (except using the pedal).
The following contains some jokes:
(Inspired by an anecdote about Mozart)
If this is a piano piece: The only solution other than using a pedal is for the player to play that note with his own nose (or a stick in his mouth). In this case, it would be appropriate to put a separate staff for the nose (or stick) :D