accordion bellows direction
would it be possible to add the bellows in and out direction signs to the optional accordion pallate please?
would it be possible to add the bellows in and out direction signs to the optional accordion pallate please?
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Are they in the symbols palette (of the master palette? How do they look exactly?
In reply to Are they in the symbols… by Jojo-Schmitz
having had a chance to look in the symbols pallette I can't find them there although the guitar vibrato bar dip (or maybe it says clip, my eyesight is not what it used to be hehe) would probably do for the bellows open
In reply to having had a chance to look… by andylear
There are however "push" and "pull" symbols in the Accordion symbols. Are those not the same intention?
In reply to There are however "push" and… by jeetee
no, i have never seen those. I have attached a piece of text from the scales and arpegioes grade book, the close (in) version of that is lazy because the top should be wider than the sides, i have also (sorry it is a bit blurry) attached some actual music with the in symbol on it.
In reply to no, i have never seen those… by andylear
sorry, it is the same intention but they are not the correct symbols
In reply to sorry, it is the same… by andylear
These however are from the Accordion section of SMuFL.
In reply to no, i have never seen those… by andylear
FWIW, I'm no expert, but a brief web search shows me that different publishers use different systems, with at lest half a dozen in common use. The particular symbols you are showing appear to actually have been intended to be the standard violin upbow and downbow symbols - these are used by several published and recommended in several styles guides I found. But apparently those weren't available in the font used the publisher of your second excerpt, so they substitute some plain geometric shapes. The violin downbow symbol is exactly what your first except show, though.
So, I think your best course of action is to just use the standard bowing symbols, which you can either add directly as articulations (which is how several publishers I saw do it(, or embededded within text (via the F2 "Special Characters" dialog) as your excerpts seem to be doing.
BTW, if you should wish to reproduce the look of the publishers who use the geometric approximations instead of the actual bowing symbols, you could insert as graphics (which I think you've done?). But perhaps better, as text using standard Unicode box drawing characters. The FreeSerif font included with MuseScore has a pretty set of those. But from what I'm seeing the violin bowing symbols are probably the way to go.
If you can find links to published examples and style guides explaining their use that support the idea of the geometric version being legitimate separate symbols in their own right as opposed to just approximations of the bowing symbols, you could propose their inclusion in the SMuFL standard for music fonts, so that future versions of MuseScore and other standards-compliant notation software would be able to use them directly.
In reply to no, i have never seen those… by andylear
Those symbole do exists, in the Artiulations palette, upbow/downbow, for (bowed) string instruments basically. So just use those for accordion too
In reply to Those symbole do exists, in… by Jojo-Schmitz
You are both right, briliant thank you :)
https://musescore.org/en/node/315330
Nurfz uses bellow bars.
In reply to https://musescore.org/en… by jmueller5524
I guess it must be a German thing, I have been playing the accordion for ten years and the only signs I have ever seen for opening and closeing the bellows are the V and the bottomless rectangle.
In reply to I guess it must be a German… by andylear
Yes, it's a German thing. It is for diatonic instruments. Is your accordion also diatonic?
In reply to Yes, it's a German thing. It… by jmueller5524
no its not diatonic but even so sometimes the composer has a view on which direction the bellows should be going (or more to the point when the bellows should change)
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In reply to Hello ! I needed these… by AirW
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In reply to @AirW: you posted in the… by cadiz1
Thank you Cadiz1 !