Playback for old school music writing
I was wondering if this old school style of music writing is read the same as triplets for each of the eighth note with "eighth tremolo through stem" marking when the playback reads it.
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Brushing off the dust and cobwebs from my 50 year old music ed. degree, I don't recall ever seeing this referring to triplets. But it was long ago when we had to hand write everything. I seem to have a dim memory of it meaning 16th notes.
In reply to Brushing off the dust and… by bobjp
i was basing off these people commenting on a similar question https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/31700/%CE%91re-these-three-do…
In reply to Brushing off the dust and… by bobjp
forgot to show you this part lol
In reply to forgot to show you this part… by Ralts
The 3 suggests that they mean triplets. I have seen this in old brass and marching band pieces where triplets are common and space is at a premium.
In reply to The 3 suggests that they… by underquark
Yeah was wondering if musescore playback would actually read it like that or i would have to expand it as triplets
In reply to Brushing off the dust and… by bobjp
I've seen this many times and I'm even considering using it in a piece from Tchaikovsky I'm currently engraving. It's space saving and easier to read, at least for me. If you expand it, you just get endless series of notes. By the way, I'm not terrible interested in playback, a nice feature, but readability.
In Sweden, there is a saying, "You cannot see the forest because of all trees".
I've not yet found how this can be achieved in MuseScore.
In reply to I've seen this many times… by TomStrand
If playback is not important, just place a tremolo on each note.
If you want playback:
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Write as eighth notes
Turn them into triplets with [Ctrl] 3
Turn the 16th notes into dotted eighths
Place a tremolo on each note
Finally, make the dots invisible
In reply to If playback is not important… by underquark
Cool thanks
In reply to Cool thanks by Ralts
Some things occur to me.
Sure, you can write things any way you want. But just because you see it in print doesn't make it correct or playable. An 8th note with a tremolo slash, and a 3 or three dots over it seems just nonsensical to me. Of course it costs less to print shorthand notation.
It is difficult for me to separate notation from playback. It seems to me that the purpose of notation is playback. Human or otherwise. Sure, humans can figure out notation that computers can't.
Things written out leave no doubt. Shorthand, not so much. As a composer, I want to leave as little doubt as possible. Even if it is just a line of notes.
In reply to Some things occur to me… by bobjp
But it does exist in older printed scores.
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e.g. Eugène Damaré, L'Elégante (arr for Cornet) Carl fisher Edition 1913
It is correct notation, see Gould, page 219 (the dot should not made invisible).
if notated as explained by Underquark, playback in MS is correct.
In reply to But it does exist IRL. [… by graffesmusic
Anyone who has mastered the art of triple tonguing on a cornet will be very familiar with this notation
In reply to Anyone who has mastered the… by rothers
Does triple tonguing on my Bach trumpet count?
In reply to But it does exist IRL. [… by graffesmusic
Good for Gould. I've been around long enough to know that Correct Notation ideas change.
In reply to If playback is not important… by underquark
another question why are some abbreviation dots positioned specifically like some are missing where there are two of them instead or one aligned to the right of the note