akward tuplet
Hi there,
How can I enter this tuplet with a time of 9/8 at the key?
Thanks for any advise/help
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Hi there,
How can I enter this tuplet with a time of 9/8 at the key?
Thanks for any advise/help
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That is a 12:9 or 4:3 custom tuplet (2:1.5 is what you really want, but that's not possible)
In reply to That is a 12:9 or 4:3 tuplet by Jojo-Schmitz
It is not possible because it's a MuS Musescore limit?
I could manage it if I could do "12", but I do not know how to provide a double figure input with
Any advise?
In reply to It is not possible because… by Trottolina
Sorry, I wrote the "control" key in the typical way and it was "eaten-up" by the website.
I would like to know how to enter "control-key" with a double digit number
In reply to Sorry, I wrote the "control"… by Trottolina
Use the menu, Add > Tuplets > custom tuplet
And yes, not allowing for fractional ratios are probably a MuseScore restriction
In reply to Use the menu, Add > Tuplets … by Jojo-Schmitz
When I attempt to do that, that's the answer (see pic)
In reply to When I attempt to do that,… by Trottolina
Interesting, worked for me though
In reply to When I attempt to do that,… by Trottolina
Worked for me in Mu3, but indeed not in Mu4
In reply to When I attempt to do that,… by Trottolina
Hold on: I did 12:9, you tried 12:8, the former works in Mu3 and Mu4, the latter doesn't work in either
In reply to Hold on: I did 12:9, you… by Jojo-Schmitz
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Thanks
Well, I got it to play correctly. I simply selected the 'whole measure rest' and pressed Ctrl+2.
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Although it plays correctly, it doesn't display as your image though. Instead, it displays as two eighth notes in a duplet, which seems wrong. However, your images two dotted half notes in a duplet also seems wrong to me. (Though I'm not sure what the "correct" display would be.) Either of them would be understood by a musician, I think.
In reply to Well, I got it to play… by TheHutch
That is a 2:9 ratio, that's why...
In reply to That is a 2:9 ratio, that's… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you very much Jojo. That gave me the hint I needed to make it both play correctly and display correctly. Trottolina, it's a horrible kludge, but ... here it is:
20240827 1609-9-8 duplet.mscz
To create this:
1) In one measure, select the 'whole measure rest' and click to Add / Tuplet / Other. Set the Ratio to "2/9"; set Number to "Number"; set Bracket to "Bracket". Click OK.
2) Set duration to eighth note and enter the two notes. (In my example, a C and a B.)
3) In an adjacent measure, select the 'whole measure rest' and click to Add / Tuplet / Other. Set the Ratio to "12/9"; set Number to "Ratio"; set Bracket to "None". Click OK.
4) Set duration to dotted half note and enter the same two notes.
FYI: these two measures will play identically!
5) Select the first measure (with the eighth note duplet). Click on Tools / Voices / Exchange voices 1 and 2. This moves the eighth note duplet to Voice 2.
6) Select the second measure (with the dotted half note duplet). Press Ctrl+C to copy.
7) Select the first measure and press Ctrl+V to paste. This will place both duplets in the same measure. The Voice 1 dotted half notes stem up and the Voice 2 eighth notes stem down.
8) Select the "12:9" ratio above the dotted half notes. Press V to make it invisible.
9) Select one of the two eighth notes, then Ctrl+click the other to add it to the selection. On the Properties tab, check the box to Hide notehead. Now the dotted halves' noteheads move to directly over the eighth noteheads.
10) Click the eighth note beam. Press X to flip it. Now press V to hide the beam.
Since you can still see the invisible items, it looks messy. However, if you now click to View / Show and uncheck Show invisible, you will see exactly what you wanted. You'll probably want to turn Show invisible back on for working on the score, but it will print as you saw with invisible items not shown.
It should be a duolet of dotted 1/4 notes, not 2 dotted 1/2.
But you don't need a duolet for that rhythm, you can just write with a dotted 1/4 linked to a dotted 1/8 followed by a dotted 1/8 linked to a dotted 1/4
So why using duolet ?
Are you trying to replicate an existing score?
In reply to It should be a duolet of… by frfancha
"An existing score" is what OP's original image looks like. That's my guess.
However, MuS makes a duplet of dotted quarters with a "6:9" ratio, or a number "6". The only way to get a "2" there is to use a 2:9 ratio, which displays eighth notes.
None of them look "right" to my eye. I like it best without tuplet at all. Either your dotted quarter tied to dotted eighth or else half note tied to 16th note.
In reply to "An existing score" is what… by TheHutch
I'm guessing that time signature is 9/8
Based on that 1/4 dotted linked to 1/8 dotted seems (much!) easier to read than 1/2 linked to 1/16
In reply to "An existing score" is what… by TheHutch
A half note tied to a sixteenth note hides the metric structure of 9/8 and should not be used.
Hello! What do you say about the hereby attached example without a tuplet?
In reply to Hello! What do you say about… by Magnus Johansson
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