Playing of Legato
Two, stuck on one line, notes - the second note, like the first note, is played with an attack, i.e. the LEGATO does not work! How to solve this problem?
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What dynamics are being used? See if putting an invisible quieter dynamic does the fix.
In reply to What dynamics are being used… by karolcpm
With any dynamics, Legato does not work! And it would be strange if it were different, for this, apparently, is a defect in the program!
This is especially noticeable on Plucked instruments!
Where to write to the developers so that they correct this? - In this state of the program, it is impossible to use it to create musical audio files, but only as a graphic editor of notes!
In reply to With any dynamics, Legato… by AV-BelCanto
First off, are you using Muse Sounds or the preinstalled MS Basic? Has legato worked in the past for plucked instruments? Here is the sub forum dedicated to Support and Bug Reports: https://musescore.org/en/forum/6
In reply to First off, are you using… by karolcpm
I am using MS Basic.
"Has legato worked in the past for plucked instruments?", - I have been using the program MuseScore Studio for only about a month, before that I worked with Sibelius, where sometimes there was such a problem!
In reply to I am using MS Basic. "Has… by AV-BelCanto
I don't think legato works with MS Basic as for being synthesized sounds, not samples. I could be wrong though.
In reply to I don't think legato works… by karolcpm
What is the tool for if it cannot be used?
In reply to What is the tool for if it… by AV-BelCanto
For display on the notation at least. Have you used legato the same way in Sibelius?
In reply to For display on the notation… by karolcpm
I asked: what is the purpose of a sounds library if it doesn't work?
"Have you used legato the same way in Sibelius?" - Yes!
In reply to I asked: what is the purpose… by AV-BelCanto
As you know, the purpose of any notation software is produce notation. Many of the staff text elements do not work yet.
Consider that in Sibelius there are different sound sets for different styles of playing. There is the normal string sound (for example). Then there is a legato sound set. As well as a vibrato-legato sound set. There is also and overall note length setting. And in several instruments, if you slur across several notes, the phrasing works. None of which MU4 has.
In reply to As you know, the purpose of… by bobjp
What is MU4?)
In reply to What is MU4?) by AV-BelCanto
Short for MuseScore 4.
In reply to Short for MuseScore 4. by karolcpm
Then it will probably be correct MS4?
In reply to Then it will probably be… by AV-BelCanto
MicroSoft?
In reply to MicroSoft? by Jojo-Schmitz
MicroSoft4?)
In reply to MicroSoft4? by AV-BelCanto
I just prefer to abbreviate MuseScore as Mu or even µ ;-)
However, I found a solution to the problem: so that the notes located on the same line are played related, you need to stick them with not the key S, but the key T, on the keyboard!
In reply to However, I found a solution… by AV-BelCanto
T creates a tie which indicates that the second, same pitched note is not articulated. S creates a slur which indicates that a second same pitch note is articulated.
Ties can only be created between notes of the same pitch and are not the same thing at all as slurs.
See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/entering-notes-and-rests#ties
And https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/slurs
In reply to T creates a tie which… by SteveBlower
But this is strange, - any musician knows that if the crammed notes are located on the same line, then the second note is the continuation of the first! It was enough to introduce this algorithm in the program!
Two legato options only make excess complexity and confusion!
In reply to But this is strange, - any… by AV-BelCanto
They are not two legato options. They are completely different things. They just look the same.
A tie extends the duration of the first note by the duration of the next note. it can only be used with two notes of the same pitch.
A slur can be interpreted in many ways but usually indicates a smoother transition between slurred notes than between un-slurred notes. A slur connecting two notes of the same pitch generally means that the second note is articulated but not as strongly as without a slur. Such a usage of slurs is not very common and can be ambiguous. But a player can usually distinguish between tied notes and slurred notes of the same pitch by the context. Muesescore can't or doesn't rely on the context in such cases and therefore, to have the appropriate playback, the appropriate symbol must used; a tie to extend the duration without re-articulation, a slur to extend it with re-articulation.
Look it up in any basic music theory book.
In reply to They are not two legato… by SteveBlower
I know that in Sibelius there is also a special league to merge two notes of one height, but in the theory of music I have not met this, especially since all the leagues look the same - there is no special legato!
The fact that you describe, apparently, a computer specificity that is designed to make the program correctly reproduce the league notes of the same tone, and distinguish them from league notes of different heights.
In reply to I know that in Sibelius… by AV-BelCanto
Tie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_%28music%29?wprov=sfla1
Slur:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slur_%28music%29?wprov=sfla1
https://www.libertyparkmusic.com/whats-the-difference-between-ties-and-…
In reply to Tie: https://en.wikipedia… by SteveBlower
OK, how will you play tied notes of the same pitch on the piano? - You'll hit the T key?)
And on the violin or trumpet? - There aren't any keys there at all!)
In reply to OK, how will you play tied… by AV-BelCanto
I would think you hold the note for a longer duration, similar to treating the tied note as a + sign to add the durations.
In reply to OK, how will you play tied… by AV-BelCanto
You just hold the key pressed for the total duration. Or the pedal.
In reply to You just hold the key… by Jojo-Schmitz
A pedal instead of a T key, that's genius!)
In reply to A pedal instead of a T key,… by AV-BelCanto
Or keep blowing the trumpet without using the tongue to interrupt the sound.
In reply to Or keep blowing the trumpet… by SteveBlower
Yes!
I simply suggest explaining to the program that in order to play tied notes of the same pitch, you need to add their durations, i.e. so that you don’t have to press the T key for this, but so that the program does this automatically, like any musician!
But in its current form, the T key does just that - it explains it to the machine!
In reply to Yes! I simply suggest… by AV-BelCanto
That's what the program does (and ever since), if, and only if, you're using a tie (created with a T) rather than a slur (created with an S)
In reply to Yes! I simply suggest… by AV-BelCanto
I am not understanding your point. In 4/4 a duration of a beat and a half can be written as a quarter tied to an eighth or as a dotted quarter or as an eighth tied to a quarter. Which notation to use depends on context. If the note starts on beat 1 a dotted quarter would be the most usual practice, but if the note starts in beat 2 then a quarter tied to an eighth would be more usual. If the note starts on the half beat of beat 1 an eighth tied to a quarter would be most usual. However, in particular cases the less usual grouping might be more appropriate. What exactly are you suggesting the program should do that would avoid the use of the T key.
In reply to I am not understanding your… by SteveBlower
I suggest: if notes of the same pitch are tied, then the machine should automatically simply add their durations when playing, and play as one note!
In reply to I suggest: if notes of the… by AV-BelCanto
Which is exactly what happens
In reply to Which is exactly what happens by Jojo-Schmitz
Without the T key this doesn't happen!
In reply to Without the T key this doesn… by AV-BelCanto
Without a tie it doesn't happen. And the T key is the way to add a tie
In reply to Without a tie it doesn't… by Jojo-Schmitz
I propose to prescribe an algorithm in the program so that as soon as she sees that notes of one height are connected by a league, the key T would be pressed automatically, as is happening in the head of each musician!)
In reply to I propose to prescribe an… by AV-BelCanto
You mean a slur between 2 adjacent notes of the same pitch into a tie automatically, I guess?
Just use a tie when you mean a tie and a slur when you mean a slur, really easy.
Also slurs between adjacent note of the same pitch are really a thing for playing legato
In reply to You mean a slur between w… by Jojo-Schmitz
What does a tie and an slur have to do with legato, - is completely unclear!)
This is a very strange terminology!
In reply to What does a tie and an slur… by AV-BelCanto
Ties have got nothing to do with legato, but slurs have, as they usually indicate the slurred passage to be played legato. Sometimes though they just indicate a phrase.
In reply to What does a tie and an slur… by AV-BelCanto
This video might help explain briefly: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ys3_t_nQjd0?feature=share
You can also do a quick search on the "difference between ties and slurs in music" online to find out more.