changing stem direction of a voice as default
I was wondering how I can change the default stem direction of voice no.3
As default the stem direction of the notes are "up". But I want to change that into "down"
as a default value. Cannot figure this out, browsed through Marc's "Mastering MuseScore"
searching for an answer but I failed. Yes, I know how to do this using the Inspector but that is for
individual notes not for a default setting.
Currently I am still using version 2.3.2
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Wouldn't be the easiest way to select a note of voice 3, right click->select->more..., choosing "same voice" confirming it and pressing "x" to change the stem direction?
In reply to Wouldn't be the easiest way… by kuwitt
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In reply to Do you really mean what you… by [DELETED] 1831606
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In reply to Wouldn't be the easiest way… by kuwitt
I also had this possibility in mind but I found it also easy to hit "x" immediately after entering a note.
But thanks for your suggestion anyway!
In MuseScore 2 and 3 this is not possible anymore, here voice 1 and 3 are stem up, voice 2 and 4 stem down, it was possible in MuseScore 1 though, as a per score style setting.
In reply to In MuseScore 2 and 3 this is… by Jojo-Schmitz
Of course I could use voice 4 in stead of voice 3 but as you probably also know, In Renaissance music
there often are 4 voices (or even more). So my question.....
But......... is it an idea to enter this possibility in the "wish list" of future versions of MuseScore 3.xx.xx?
In reply to Of course I could use voice… by JoeAlders
You can put anything you like into a wish list as a suggestion in the issue tracker. Keep in mind there is no guarantee it will ever be implemented. In the mean time, select all notes in voice 3 and change the stem direction to down rather than auto after you enter the notes. Using this method will prevent previously adjusted stems from being flipped to up.
In reply to You can put anything you… by mike320
I have never seen renaissance music with four voices on the same staff. When you use different staves for each voice, the voice on that staff is VOICE 1, for that staff. More than three voices (not multi-voiced chords!) on the same staff with independent rhythms is unreadable and unplayable.
In reply to I have never seen… by [DELETED] 1831606
If you play, like I do, classical Guitar then there is just ONE stafe. And sometimes it is only possible to get a readable score by using 4 voices. Take for instance John Dowland's Fantasia No.7. There are passages which simply are impossible to get into ONE stafe by NOT using 4 voices.
In reply to If you play, like I do,… by JoeAlders
Can you post an image from a reputable edition? Thanks. Dowland was always sorry, anyway (so he punned...).
In reply to If you play, like I do,… by JoeAlders
I could imagine a measure or two here and there that might need four voices, but not really music that not only requires four voices consistently, but also would benefit from having three voices in one direction and one in the other by default. Would be curious to see the example at hand. But meanwhile, flipping the stems after the fact seems simple enough given how incredibly rare this has got to be.
In reply to I could imagine a measure or… by Marc Sabatella
".......a measure or two here and there that might need four voices,"
That is exactly what happens more often when I am working on Renaissance music for the classical guitar. Not so in Baroque or later music periods.
In an earlier response I mentioned John Dowlands Fantasia as one reference.
But I now understand that this wish from me will not be honoured. So be it.....
Discussion closed.
In reply to ".......a measure or two… by JoeAlders
Did you post an excerpt so we can see it? Not closed as far as I'm concerned.
In reply to ".......a measure or two… by JoeAlders
Features are honored more often when we see actual real world examples that provide evidence the proposed feature has general usefulness - that it would save significantly more people significantly more time overall than what it takes to implement. That’s why we want to see actual examples. It shouldn’t be seen as too much to ask.
In reply to Features are honored more… by Marc Sabatella
All right, all right here an excerpt.
Another possibility for a READABLE layout with no ugly note cluttering with 3 voices are welcomed!
In reply to All right, all right here an… by JoeAlders
Thanks! I would still like to see the edition from which you transcribed this. Your decisions of when to use "chords" (2 notes on same stem) and when "real voices" in some cases is not clear to me. e.g., m 7, where the minim octave B's at the downbeat and the fifth B F# seem to be the same "logical voice", in the same rhythm (what happened to the third quarter? should there be a rest there?) and as much deserving of the same stem as the E-B at the downbeat of 6.
In reply to Thanks! I would still like… by [DELETED] 1831606
Here is a score of mine with four voices on a staff, where I have meticulously copied the notation of the Bachgesellschaft edition. https://musescore.com/bsg/phrased_chaconne_intro The handling of the stems required meticulous, painstaking work, and not on account of any deficiency of MuseScore -- duplicating the decisions of the editors of the BG is not within MuseScore's charter, IMO -- you just have to do this by hand, as they did.
In reply to All right, all right here an… by JoeAlders
Use notes of the same value in the same voice.
The only reason you use different voices should be that the notes are placed in the same beat at different lengths.
A voice can carry many notes (chords). Voices are polyphonic, not monophonic.
In reply to All right, all right here an… by JoeAlders
Thanks for the example! I'm not sure which measures you mean specifically that require 4 voices - most don't seem to, although no doubt a few might. As it is, forcing four voices has led to some unnecessarily awkward-looking passages, it seems to me (offsets that could have been avoided by combining voices).
But more to the point, what I don't understand is what about this to you makes it seems like setting voice 3 down by default would be a significant win. For the measures that truly do require four voices, I guess your thinking is, have the main melody up and everything else down, regardless of other any concerns?