Keyboard: melody, chords and lyrics

• Apr 17, 2020 - 12:27

I have produced a version of Autumn Leaves on Finale. I do not want to repeat all the work on MuseScore. Is there an intermediary stage that enables me to allows me to do this: Finale form -> Transition phase -> Musescore form. Please bear in mind that I am relative beginner both as a musician and as a software user: I am not an expert in either field. I would categorize myself as a blunderer.

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Autumn Leaves.mid 3.67 KB

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• Apr 17, 2020 - 12:30

From Finale export as MusicXML.

MIDI is a playback instruction format and should only be your last resort to transfer notation if nothing else works.

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 09:33

I do not see how my MuseScore 2.0 package can import Autumn Leaves.mid.
Nor can it import the .mscz file below.
If I try to invoke the Import from pdf facility, I get this error message: Cannot read file /tmp/mozilla_anthony0/74083b5cb855019b72171cc976cb03d9e542113f.mscz: This score was saved using a newer version of MuseScore. When I try to upgrade to MuseScore 3.0, the new version will not open automatically, and if I store it I cannot see how to open it.
Is it because my OS is Ubuntu?

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 09:51

-install MuseScore 3 from the "official" latest app image available on this site, not another way
-do not try to use a mid (midi) file
-export from finale in musicxml format
-open musescore3 (open the program, not a file), and from there open (by menu file) the musicxml exported from finale

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 12:09

O.K. So I attempt to upgrade to 3.4.2; this what happens:

Thank you for downloading MuseScore

Your download will start in 0 seconds. Problems with the download? Please use this direct link
SHA256 Checksum: 9f6bdf872bdb9356ade0c0dfc3cc27982817fca5dc4664056dc1e6360b560346

The download does not start; I click on the direct link. Nothing happens. Is it because my OS is Ubuntu?

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 14:39

Tried it.
Options are:
(i) open with Archive Mounter, click on it - nothing.
(ii) save. I save, but I have been here before. I am prompted to search for something like applmage. I do so.
I am told that unfortunately nothing like vnd.Applmage can be found. Instructed to go to a website, where I find Repositories in Ubuntu Documentation. This is far too technically complicated for me. All I wanted was a simple upgrade from a very useful programme.

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 17:17

Unfortunately, Ubuntu like most Linux distributions does assume some familiarity with basic computer concepts. Perhaps you can find someone you know locally who understands more about things like files and folders and how they work? Doesn't even have to be someone who knows Linux specifically - the concepts are actually the same on Windows and macOS. It's just that those OS's are a little better at hiding these details from you some of the time.

But to be clear: the instructions on installing AppImages refer to the terminal window. You need to open that. And when you save the file, surely your browser gives you a choice of where to save to, simply go to that same folder. Not sure when "vnd.AppImage: is or where you are getting a reference to that, museScore has nothing like it. Should be MuseScore-x86-64.AppImage, and it will be found in the same folder your browser saved to. Maybe that will help?

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 18:28

Thank you Marc for your help. I am totally familiar with files and folders at the normal level of interaction. I thought all downloaded packages would be 'waved through' a Terminal. This is the first time I have I had this problem. I have looked everywhere on the machine for a way into the Terminal facility. I have a vague feeling it is something to with 'sudo': I have no idea what that is and I have no idea how to access 'Terminal'.

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 19:27

The terminal window should be a basic essential feature of your Linux installation, it is on every one I've ever used. A place where you type commands, like "ls" whatever. Might be called "command window" or something I guess. But according to a quick web search "open a terminal on Ubuntu", try clicking the Ubuntu icon in the upper-left, type "terminal", and select the Terminal application from the results that appear.

Anyhow, the reason I mentioned getting more familiar with files and folders is that you seemed to be having difficulty finding the file you downloaded, and I assumed that was because you didn't realize downloaded files go into specific folders or how to find the folder you downloaded into. But I guess you've figured that out now? Anyhow, to be clear, the installation instructions for Linux are here:

https://musescore.org/en/handbook/install-linux

While it's technically possible to skip the terminal and just do the File Manager instructions, you won't be able to complete the install that way, as the last step - "Installing the AppImage (optional)" - requires the terminal.

The whole process from start to finish takes about 30 seconds (once the download completes; anyhow - depending on your connection speed that might take longer). I checked again, and it definitely says "nothing* about anything called "vnd", nothing about any sort of "Archive Manager:. So wherever you read about that, this was the wrong site to have gone to Everything you need is on the page I just linked to. You basically just type a short series of commands into the terminal window.

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 21:42

Thank you for your time Marc, I installed Ubuntu direct from the Ubuntu website, so Linux came to me ready made, I simply followed the instructions that appeared as the Ubuntu package was installed. It was easy enough to find the downloaded file; in downloads, thus /home/anthony/Downloads/MuseScore-3.4.2-x86_64.AppImage. I cannot progress from there, but I will try to install Appimage from your link. No, on second thoughts, I've clicked the link, and found it too demanding for now. I will call in my neighbour, who might be able to help, I'll get back to you. Thanks.

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• Apr 18, 2020 - 22:38

Sorry, I meant that I discovered terminal by clicking on "Activities" at top left corner and conducting a search within "Activities". Terminal is very well hidden on my machine, I don't think I have ever invoked it before, except by accident. Having arrived there, what is it that I must paste there, the link given above? Many thanks.

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• Apr 19, 2020 - 18:24

The link given above is something you click to see the actual instructions. It's basically a series of commands that you type (or copy and paste if your prefer) after first finding the folder containing the file. Specifically, the commands are a "cd" to go to the folder, "chmod" to make the AppImage file executable, then you run the AppImage with the "install" option to install it. After running those three commands, the program is fully installed and ready to use.

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• Apr 19, 2020 - 21:07

After multiple failures, this is where I am:
Reading package lists... Done
E: The repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS Xenial Xerus - Release amd64 (20170215.2) xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 78BD65473CB3BD13
anthony@anthony-Lenovo-H505S:~$
anthony@anthony-Lenovo-H505S:~$

I really have very little idea of what I am doing, and it is wasting your time and mine to attempt anything that I cannot achieve by other means. This machine is on its last legs anyway, so I will get all relevant material onto memory sticks and invest in a very inexpensive new machine which will host linux. Thence to a new download of MuseScore 3.x which I take it will recognize existing MuseScore 2.0 files.

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• Apr 19, 2020 - 22:13

These messages don't seem related to the three simple commands that Marc has listed ...
I'm afraid that buying a new machine won't remove the need to execute these installation steps correctly.
So the previous suggestion to find somebody locally who could have access to your computer to help you to enter the correct commands will probably still be applicable for your new computer.
(I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't buy a new computer, that's entirely your choice obviously, just that it won't magically install MuseScore for you)

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• Apr 19, 2020 - 23:15

No. The error comes attempting to execute a command that has nothing whatsoever to do with the instructions in the page I gave you. There were three commands: cd, chmod, and the AppImage itself. None of those commands can possibly produce an error like that. You must have tried following some other instructions entirely. Don’t. Follow the ones I gave and those only, those three commands after downloading the file, nothing more. It really does work and take under a minute. But you can’t improvise or use instructions you doh s somewhere else that aren’t relevant here. You have to follow those instructions and those instructions only.

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• Apr 21, 2020 - 17:45

Thank you Marc, and everyone else who tried to help me. I have discovered many things: the level of "Terminal" and (thanks to my neighbour) the concept of "default password"(I cannot recall ever having set one for sudo).
I pressed ahead with the instructions, using (I imagine) the default password, several times it looked as if I had been denied, but I ignored the denial and persisted; then I showed my neighbour a sign for MuseScore 3: I was in! It was downloaded! And now that I have tried it out, I see that the new version is very smooth and easy to use.

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• Apr 22, 2020 - 17:44

I'm afraid I'm in immediate trouble again. I had assumed that MuseScore2 scores would automatically migrate to MuseScore3; not only has that not happened, but I am unable to copy from MuseScore2. I can only print from MuseScore2 and hope that the PDF import facility works for MuseScore3. Not only has it not worked so far, MuseScores 2 and 3 act as if they are total strangers..

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• Apr 22, 2020 - 18:47

Thanks for that Jojo, my two packages are clearly not co-existing. I think at a crucial point one folder became renamed [accidentally] I have worked round it and I am now trying to reverse the name change. All MuseScore 2 have been translated to MuseScore 3, but there is still something wrong. As soon as I have identified it and corrected it, I will erase MuseScore2 .

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• Apr 22, 2020 - 19:28

"my two packages are clearly not co-existing"
No.
No.
No.
You are completely confusing the behaviour of a PC with the one of a smartphone.
On your PC, the files are NOT "owned" by the applications.
The files exist where they are and can be freely opened by any application you want (now the application will recognise the file format and be able to interpret the content of the file or not, that's another story).
So your MuseScore 2 scores are somewhere, exactly where YOU have decided to save them.
And your MuseScore 3 scores are (and will be) somewhere, again exactly where YOU will decide to save them.
Starting with that, what you need to know:
MuseScore 2 can open and work on a file saved from MuseScore 2 (obviously).
MuseScore 3 can open and work on a file saved from MuseScore 3 (obviously).
MuseScore 2 can not open neither work on a file saved from MuseScore 3.
MuseScore 3 can open a file saved from MuseScore 2, but once saved from MuseScore 3 it will become a "version 3" file and MuseScore 2 won't be able to use it anymore.

Knowing that, you can adopt different strategies:
-Put all you current files under a folder called "V2" and save them progressively under a new folder "V3" when you edit them by V3
-keep a shared V2/V3 folder structure (with sub-folders like you want by genre or whatever) and add 'V3' in the name of the file when you save it for the first time from V3
-shared V2/V3 folder structure and just overwrite the V2 file with the V3 version without changing the name (possibly keeping a full copy of all your V2 files version somewhere else (folder archive or something like that) "in case of")

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• Apr 25, 2020 - 12:49

Thanks for your advice, frfancha, I think the way is clear. My saves are in the Folders MuseScore 2 and MuseScore 3, now pasted to desktop; (in each case) saves are in the sub folder Scores. I did not create these folders and subfolders; they were created by each programme and I learned about them when I clicked on 'save' in each programme. Let's not confuse the issue with smartphones, (this is a personal choice) I use a smartphone as little as possible.

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• Apr 22, 2020 - 21:24

To be clear: MuseScore 2 and MsueScore 3 maintain separate folders under your home or documents folder. One is called MuseScore2, the other MsueScore3 (naturally). By default when you do File / Open from either version, it only shows you its own folder,r but they are perfectly ordinary folders on your system, so with MuseScore 3 you can certainly navigate over to your MsueScore 2 folder and opens those scores. Or double-click a MuseScore 2 score in your favorite file browser to open it in the currently-registered program for the MSCZ file extension, which if you followed the instructions for installing the AppImage, will be MuseScore 3.

If you've renamed folders in the mistaken belief that something is wrong, please put them back the way they were. You should not rename any MuseScore-related folders unless you know exactly what you are doing.

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