Show Page Settings in the Inspector
Hello,
would it be possible to transfer the page settings into the inspector?
The first possibility would maybe be if simply nothing is selected.
A second possibility might be to make pages selectable in Scoreview, so that the page settings appear in the Inspector as soon as I just select the page (I don't know if this is technically possible)
It might look that way.
If you select pages in the preview (or perhaps directly in Scoreview if possible), the settings might change so that the margins are only applied to the selected pages. The other settings might even be grayed out.
Comments
The Inspector works on (selected) Score Elements, Page Settings is not such a score element
In reply to The Inspector works on … by Jojo-Schmitz
Ah okay, but if pages are made selectable, wouldn't that be something for the inspector as well? Or do I misunderstand that or is that also technically not possible?
In reply to Ah okay, but if pages are… by MaBlo
Well, it might be technically possible, but would be against the current architecture.
But who knows what the big inspector redesign for MuseScore 4 will bring us ;-)
In reply to Well, it might be… by Jojo-Schmitz
But it will not be against anything if the inspector is overhauled, will it? :-)
In reply to But it will not be against… by Howard-C
Depends. It the inspector continues to be used for tweaking the properties of score elements, page settings are out
In reply to But it will not be against… by Howard-C
I thought so too. That's what gave me the idea. I would find it nice because the page settings would be easier to find. For me, everything to insert is on the left in the palettes and everything to edit existing things is on the right in the inspector. Since I have a page and only want to edit it, it would fit into the concept of Musescore for me.
Another thing having been discussed is to show the Styles dialogue in the place of the Inspector when nothing is selected. But Page Settings is also logical. Guess there're quite a few candidates :-)
In reply to Another thing having been… by Howard-C
Yes, I've thought about that too, but I'd rather appreciate it if there was some kind of layout manager for it, but so far I don't have a good idea how the look could be. For me it seemed to make more sense to place the page settings here.
In reply to Yes, I've thought about that… by MaBlo
@Tantacrul suggested putting the "Show invisible", "Show unprintable", ... settings there in his MuseScore review video. It makes even more sense. Showing too many things when nothing is selected is probably not very good.
In reply to @Tantacrul suggested putting… by Howard-C
Those are at least related to score elements.
In reply to Those are at least related… by Jojo-Schmitz
Related in a certain way, but not less different, because those options don't change elements themselves, but rather the visibility in the app.
In reply to Related in a certain way,… by Howard-C
Like the visible property too
In reply to @Tantacrul suggested putting… by Howard-C
that is why my second suggestion was to make the page selectable. Then it would be a score element for me, as soon as I select the page I would see the page settings.
In reply to that is why my second… by MaBlo
Doing so could be a disadvantage for mouse users, that can now click on an "empty" part of the page to cancel out of a selection.
In reply to Doing so could be a… by jeetee
Yes, it would not be so easy to find a really empty space without a page. Then you might have to press the "Esc" key. I mean, that's how it works in Sibelius (correct me if I am wrong). The page can also be selected as an element. I've been using Musescore with the mouse and the keyboard to enter notes, but I think it would be an advantage. As suggested in the video about MuseScore by Tantacrul, it might be enough to adjust the view menu so that it doesn't close after each click. For changing "Visible/Unvisible" no extra dialog will open. But this is the case with the page settings so far, so I would add this dialog to the Inspector.
In reply to Doing so could be a… by jeetee
I don't know what you mean, as long as you don't use Ctrl+Click, clicking on an empty area on a page will still cancel out the selection, won't it?
In reply to I don't know what you mean,… by Howard-C
Yes in the current state I think so. But my suggestion is that the page itself should also be made selectable. This means that it would not work anymore to click on an "empty" place on the page, because then the page would be selected and not "nothing". Do you understand what I mean? Or have I misunderstood the message now?
In reply to Yes in the current state I… by MaBlo
When the page is selected, the page settings should appear in the Inspector.
In reply to When the page is selected,… by MaBlo
Well, there's the problem; you can't select the page! Clicking on an empty spot in the page means to unselect whatever element(s) were selected before
In reply to Well, there's the problem;… by Jojo-Schmitz
Hmm okay, I guess I'm gonna have to give up on that idea then ;-)
I thought you could develop Musescore in such a way that you could just choose a page. Then the suggestion would be feasible, but if that's not possible, I guess that's it.
In reply to Well, there's the problem;… by Jojo-Schmitz
maybe could be good idea incorporate a button like libreoffice headers to select the page
In reply to Well, there's the problem;… by Jojo-Schmitz
What about Key+Click? It could be possible.
For example Ctrl+Click would means select page (if nothing was selected before). Or, if this is too strange, Shift+Click could be also fine.
When the user clicks a blank spot on the the page, the selection is cleared.
When there is no selection, the Inspector panel is currently cleared out as well.
So it might not be a bad idea to use the no-selection state itself to populate the Inspector with the page properties. Maybe even have a separate section with the score properties (title, composer, etc.) too.
In reply to When the user clicks a blank… by Spire42
Yes, that would be a good idea too, although the title and composer can also be changed in Scoreview by simply clicking on it. This is not possible with the page settings so far, so the page settings would make more sense for me at this point, because I can so far only access them through other dialogs.
Maybe the settings could be easily accessed via the right-click menu as before, except that they will appear in Scoreview. The margins could then be easily adjusted by drag and drop or by simply entering values. What do you think about this?
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