Trills
Let me start by saying I'm a Tuba player - we don't get to trill very often..... You can insert an appropriate comment now.
I am trying to insert a trill in a work I am arranging - not for the Tuba player. My problem is that I want to adjust the notes of the trill, or at least indicate that the trill is adapted in performance (I am assuming the playback can't be altered). What is in the original source I am arranging is the following - TRb - with the flat indicating a trill to a flat note. In other places a natural is needed.
To indicate this, I used the TR symbol from the Articulations and Ornaments Palette and selected the Trill symbol, and dragged it to the note I wanted to trill and inserted it. I then intended to add a b to the trill symbol, via the master palate (Z). The palate popped up, I selected the accidentals group, and tried to move the flat to the Trill indication now residing in my score. Nope. I tried to edit the tr on the score by selecting it as I might a text symbol, but that wasn't working either. I tried to do an "edit Element" from the pull down list, but the text didn't appear to be changeable.
Is there a way to do what I am trying to do, or is this not possible, or is there a different approach I have not considered? Thanks for your assistance.
Jerry
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Ciao Jerry, it is probable that I did not understand (I do not speak English)
from Master Palette (Z) you have dragged the symbol "flat" located in the Symbols section?
The objects that you see on your score are Elements. Some elements are only visual (Symbols), some are functional (Accidentals, Ornaments, etc.) and some have special behaviour such as character contained within a text string that, itself, sits within some sort of container.
There is a difference between flat the Symbol (which is purely visual) and flat the accidental with the note-pitch-changing behaviour and there is also flat the Special Character that can be inserted into a text string.
The Master Palette allows access to many elements, not just Symbols and you want to place some sort of symbol or character above your trill instead of an accidental that (currently) only works on notes.
Currently you can only place an Accidental on a note and it will affect that note both visually, during playback an have an effect on other notes of the same pitch in the same measure. Sure, you can place an accidental on a note and then move it above your trill but this accidental will always be associated with the note and behave as an accidental when other factors come into play (key changes, other accidentals, other notes that may be affected by it).
For your purposes you would ideally want an accidental that affected the trill but this hasn't yet been created or implemented and so you will have to make do with something purely visual. You could place Flat, the symbol (from the Symbols section of the Master Palette) but you might find it a bit big and you can't resize it. If that is the case then the better way is to use a piece of text with a special character in it - place the note, place the trill then click on the note and [Ctrl]t F2 and place the flat from there (or, Add ->Text ->Stave Text, choose the special characters palette for text entry, insert a flat character).
Finally, the way to create any character or symbol that you want is to make it on the screen by whatever means MuseScore allows you. Then zoom in and copy it by PrintScreen (or equivalent method). Use a graphics package to crop and edit the image and save it as a .PNG file with a transparent background. You can then drag this file onto a score and -from there - [Ctrl][Shift]drag it to a custom palette for later use whenever you need it.
In reply to The objects that you see on by underquark
One other comment:
You *can* place an accidental - a real accidental from the Accidentals palette, not just a symbol that looks like an accidental - on a trill *line*, just not a trill *articulation*. You have to use drag & drop for that to work (as opposed to double click). It still won't affect playback, but at least it is guaranteed to look right with no manual adjustment.
Here's how you can get a trill with an accidental that will work during playback too!
https://musescore.org/en/node/83451#comment-368491
If the explanation I gave there isn't enough then have a look at these two posts from the same page:
https://musescore.org/en/node/83451#comment-368106
https://musescore.org/en/node/83451#comment-368191
In reply to Here's how you can get a by shoogle
Great Responses form all of you. Thanks so very much.
I am now a little clearer on the use of the master palette - I had seen it many times when I hit the "Z" key in the wrong place, but had never used it until this. The various different tables provide flexibility that I am sure I am only scratching the surface on.
Specifically there were three different pieces here I was able to use....
1. The notation I was looking for was exactly what was identified by Shoichi. His comments on the Master Palette, and also Underquark's helped me understand how to create it.
2. Also important was Shoogle's links to how to get the playback to work.
3. Jm6stringer's clever ideas on how to use the hidden notes to alter the playback to what is needed were not only innovative, but much more than I expected from the Midi process.
Thanks again for the prompt responses. This is a great community forum!
Jerry