Shared notehead, selecting 2nd note
Hi,
I have a score in which there are many shared noteheads and most need to have a slur.
If I select a shared notehead, voice 1 is selected and I can add the slur easily.
However, I don't know how to select the note that is hidden, i.e. voice 2 that is hidden by the voice 1 note, since there is only one notehead displayed. Is there an easy way to select this 2nd note. I can move the note by double-click arrow key, add the slur, then move the notes together again, but I find this time consuming when there is many of these to do.
Dan
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I'd like to know the solution to this too.
When I have that problem, I either do the same as you, moving a voice 1 note asside temporarily, or I go back or forward to a 'selectable' voice 2 note and then move to the 'hidden' one using the arrow keys
Method 1 is to click the closest visible voice 2 note then left or right arrow to the note I want to start with, then ctrl-click the note at the other end of the slur if it's visible. If neither note is visible then you have to change that or when you shift-right arrow to the last note because MS will select entire beats of music rather than just voice 2. You will then end up with extra slurs in all other voices.
Method 2 is to use the selection filter (F6 to toggle it) and uncheck voice 1 (and any other voices with notes). Click the first note (it will show as voice 1, don't worry about that). Shift click the last note and only the checked voices will be selected so you can enter a slur with the S key or palette (or any other ornaments if you only want voice 2 to be staccato for example). Remember to check all the voices when you're done so you can select voice 1 later.
I use both of these at various times depending on which looks faster at the moment.
In reply to Method 1 is to click the by mike320
Well mike320, your method 2 sounded very promising to me, however when I tried it, the slur that was created with Voice 1 unchecked was still, for some reason, a Voice 1 slur, not the other Voice.
This sounds like a bug to me, it seems that if Voice 1 is unchecked, MS shouldn't create a slur in Voice 1, it shouldn't even select it. IOW it should behave the way you mentioned. However, I am using 2.0.2, is it possible that this was modified in 2.0.3?
Dan
In reply to Well mike320, your method 2 by madoues
Even if not you should upgrade
In reply to Well mike320, your method 2 by madoues
It comes up as voice 2 in 2.0.3. Was the slur under or above the notes? If it's under then it doesn't matter, it will sound the same anyway at the moment. Unfortunately version 2 does not play notes slurred. Perhaps 2.1 will improve the playback capabilities and include this feature. I know they're working on them but don't know when they'll be released.
Jojo is correct, there is no reason not to upgrade, I've not seen anyone having problems because they did. I have nothing to do with developing the program, I'm a user just like you.
I checked it out in MuseScore 2.0.3 on Windows 7:
If you use Ctrl to select the 2 endpoints of the slur the voice to which a slur belongs depends only on the left note. If the left note belongs to the 2nd voice the slur will belong to this voice, too. The voice of the right note is not relevant. You can also select a note of the 1st voice.
Therefore you only need to select the 2nd voice on the left note. You can do this:
a) Select the 1st voice, got to 2nd voice by Alt + ↓
b) Select the stem of the 1st note (in the 2nd voice), got to note by →
Sincerely
In reply to I checked it out in MuseScore by KHS
What you say is true about the first note encountered causing the slur to go into a specific voice is correct. However, the right end of the slur will be anchored to what ever you select at the other end. If it's in another voice note it will be anchored to the note in the other voice. If you later decide the note is wrong, the slur will move with it when you change it.
I didn't know about the shorcuts you showed to select a single 2nd voice note, thanks.
In reply to What you say is true about by mike320
Oh, yes, you are right. I didn't realize this fact. That means: If both anchor-notes of the slur are hidden then there is a problem. Then you method 2 mentioned above is best for me.
Sincerely
In reply to I checked it out in MuseScore by KHS
Thanks KHS,
that is exactly what I needed, just your step a), didn't even have to go to step b).
I didn't know, and in my searching hadn't found about Alt + ↓ to change voices, but that is what I was missing. Just select the note, Alt + ↓ , add slur, and it does the trick.
By the way, this is with 2.0.3, since I upgraded just now.
Thank you all for your help, it is really appreciated.
Cheers, Dan
FWIW, my usual method of selecting notes in voice 2 when noteheads overlap is to select a note with a more clear shot in one another beat then cursorin over. However, in this case, I'd consider simply doing things differently, like adding the slur *while* entering the notes rather than later (using "S" command during note input).
In reply to FWIW, my usual method of by Marc Sabatella
Your's is my preferred method when I know the slur will be there and doesn't have the right end anchor itself 1 space to the right of where it belongs. That only happens during note entry. Another bug I have to send when I get a score I can reproduce it on and post.