Navigator will not display total score
Please see attachment. For my opera the Anasazi, Act II. File#3: for some reason the Navigator will not let me scroll all the way to the bottom part of the score. This happened, when, as advised, I reset the score page settings to 11X17 inches to have score print on a standard page size. The original setting was 16X27 inches..
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Comments
Too many instruments for that layout (they are outside the margins) tries to set scaling to 1,140
In reply to Too many instruments for that by Shoichi
Ciao Shoichi
Ha!
My eyes deceive me, or you have edited your first reply - while I was working on mine... :-)
Regards.
In reply to Ciao Shoichi Ha! My eyes by Jm6stringer
Yes, I'm a cheat ;-)
I had misunderstood (as is often unfortunately), I hope the second attempt is better.
Set Layout / Page Settings / Scaling, then, for viewing a zoom (Ctrl + mouse wheel)
In reply to Too many instruments for that by Shoichi
That will cause a LOT of formatting issues, many of which are unnecessary because poor techniques were used in making the score look right. Other issues are unavoidable and must be addressed any time the pages are relaid out.
This has nothing to do with the Navigator - you simply have too many staves to fit on the page for your current staff and page size. You mentioned reducing the page size, so I assume it all fit before. Now you'll need to make a corresponding adjustment to the staff size (in that same dialog).
In reply to This has nothing to do with by Marc Sabatella
Thank You, but the whole point of this is to have a score suitable for an Opera Conductor to use. I'm doing all this before I would submit anything. I could submit a smaller one just for a reading score, but at some point I may need to have a score that's actually usable for a performance. My original setting as I said was 16X27 inches. It works fine. Yet no doubt that is an unusual paper size, NOT standard is the problem for printing. If I cut the scaling down too much in the 11X17 size, I would think the score might be harder to read in that size?! (For my own records, i am just printing on 81/2X 11 for my printer; no problem, I just set it on Fit To Page. It is readable for me, but would be a strain for a Conductor to peruse.
What would be a corresponding adjustment on the scaling size? (In inches.) Any particular setting?
All of this apples to all my opera files--they will have to be fixed if I use 11X17 page setting. My original idea was to have various size page settings for each file, as some parts of the opera have many more staves than others, choruses, trios, etc.. My idea was to have a printer select a large page size that would accommodate the biggest files (Staves-wise) and in the smaller files, there would just be empty paper spaces, so that the entire score would be printed on the same size paper, not odds and ends of various sizes which would be ludicrous I would think, unless a wholly electronic score was used, as some do nowadays. Any Advice, Forum?
In reply to Thank You, but the whole by delhud2
"Scores that will end up being less than 50 pages should not be formatted on any size above 10 x 13, unless you want the customer to incur large binding fees.
Libraries and most customers prefer the booklet layout with a staple binding. If you are submitting scores that are fewer than 50 pages, but on sizes larger than 10 x 13, you are not keeping up with current print production formats - please make the effort to re-size your pages to 10 x 13 or smaller, or ACA may have to do this for your scores to facilitate printing.
Longer pieces (more than 60 pages) will automatically get a coil binding, so the page layout is your choice. Some printers can make a booklet out of longer pieces but 55-60 pages is the top range for this."
source: the American Composer's alliance https://composers.com/content/composer-toolkit
Sounds to me that since you will have a several hundred page opera, the page size is at your discretion.
In reply to "Scores that will end up by mike320
hello again mike220, Thanks for this very interesting info! It would save a lot of headaches for me if I could just use the original page settings for each separate file! ( I could maybe print all the files once on 11Z17 and maybe use for "reading scores" for a Conductor to consider before he/she decides to want a full performance score.)
I wonder if Marc Sabatella would agree with the info about page size from the Composer's Alliance?
In reply to "Scores that will end up by mike320
Interesting! I would take those guidelines to apply specifically to submitting scores for that particular organization, but I'd still recommend finding out the preference for any individual or organization you might submit to. Not saying you should have to prepare a whole bunch of different versions of the score, but good to see what the people you are actually submitting to expect, rather than asking people you are *not* submitting to.
In reply to Thank You, but the whole by delhud2
Yes, obviously the point is to have score suitable for the conductor to use. That's why we were advising you to choose a smaller and more standard page size (and apparently the ACA wants smaller still). But again, smaller paper obviously means smaller staves too. That's perfectly normal. You don't have to reinvent the laws of physics or geometry here :-) 20-somethings staves on a sheet of 11x17 or smaller paper means smaller staves, and that's exactly what people are used to.
As for what size staff to use, you need to test for yourself how small you need to go in order to get everything to fit. If you are looking at a staff space size of less than 1mm you might need to reconsider how you are doing things.
In reply to Yes, obviously the point is by Marc Sabatella
I would suggest hiding empty staves. I don't know about the rest of the score, but all of this section will fit on 11x17 paper if you hide empty staves and change the scaling to 1.700mm, which is a very small change in size. I never see full scores that have every instrument on any page of music, with the exception of the first page. Many scores with an extreme number instruments show a select number of instruments to fill up the first page of the score. If you want to show more instruments at any point then you can put a hidden note in voice 2 of the first measure and uncheck play in the inspector to make it sound right. Copy and paste works great for this.
Of course these changes will require a lot of reformatting, especially operatic instructions. Many of these changes would not be necessary if you did not use manual formatting techniques at certain points in the score.
In reply to I would suggest hiding empty by mike320
FWIW, earlier I advised him *not* to hide empty staves. I see two types of scores in the world: study scores that you might in music libraries and so forth, and "real" scores used by conductors. The former are usually condensed (empty staves hidden), the latter more often not. But I also suggested he check with the actual people he is submitting to; no point in just guessing. It's certainly possible that preferences for *opera* music directors / conductors are different from *orchestra* and other purely instrumental ensembles, which is more where my experience is.
In reply to FWIW, earlier I advised him by Marc Sabatella
I think you are right! (to Marc Sabatella) Much simpler and makes sense to have study scores and actual performance or "real" scores. Also, as you said, on my part just to ask a Conductor or Producer what THEY want. I also have done only instrumental before, never opera. Thanks for the Advice.
In reply to I would suggest hiding empty by mike320
Sorry, i do not have time to spend on struggling with Hide Empty Staves. Thanks anyway. I did 2 or 3 of the early Act I. files that way, and they turned out fine, but took time to try to deal with Staff Text created on the singers' staves disappearing when the staves were empty, had no actual notes/ etc.