Problem with pitch note between Musescore file and MusicXML files
I have a strange behavior between different files :
- In one of my .mscx file, I have for exemple a part (Electric Bass) which begins with this three notes : 26 26 29 29
When I export it in MusicXML .xml format, I get this : D1 D1 F1 F1, which is an octave upper than the standard midi chart.
This is the same for the piano part, I didn't checked all parts.
- In one of another file, I have 39 37 in the .mscx file and in the musicXML : E1 D1
How this can happend ?
I attached all files.
thanks for your help !
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Comments
What do you mean by D1?
There are many meanings of that, depending on where you fix C0
FWIW my tuning app on my phone give D1 as MIDI note 26 which agrees with Musescore.
In reply to What do you mean by D1? There by ChurchOrganist
Yes I know there are differences depending on where you fix C0. In Europe, many system are based on D1 = 38.
My problem is not what is the best, I just want that it's always the same between many part that I create.
I thought MuseScore and MusciXML would have chosen one and stay with it...
In reply to Yes I know there are by brunal2496
MusicXML defines C4 as middle C
http://www.musicxml.com/UserManuals/MusicXML/MusicXML.htm#CT-MusicXML-p…
Musescore uses MIDI note numbers to define pitch, where Middle C is defined as note 60
MuseScore's XML export is therefore correct in interpreting Note 26 as D1
So I'm not quite sure what your problem is???
In reply to MusicXML defines C4 as middle by ChurchOrganist
Thank you for your answer.
Ok so let's set C4 = C middle = midi 60 = musescore 60 .
The problem I have is that sometimes D1 is 26 in the musescore file, sometimes it's 38.
And I don't understand why.
I will follow the advices below to try to understand what wrong.
In reply to Thank you for your answer. Ok by brunal2496
Are you able to attach the files concerned?
We may be able to better shed some light on this.
It seems to me, however, that there may be an octave transposition in the instrument definition which would account for the discrepancy.
In reply to Are you able to attach the by ChurchOrganist
Yes, the files are attached in my first post.
Glory box easy (2d measure), FInger Bass :
XML file : E1 D1
mscx file : 39 37
Rocker Spirit (2nd measure), Finger Bass :
mscx : 26 26 29 29
xml : D1 D1 F1 F1
In reply to Yes, the files are attached by brunal2496
You're misreading the XML:
In Glory box there is a chromatic alteration to the note of -1
The octave number is 2
<measure number="2" width="275.04">
<note default-x="23.40" default-y="-155.00">
<pitch>
<step>E</step>
<alter>-1</alter>
<octave>2</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>24</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>half</type>
<stem>up</stem>
</note>
In reply to You're misreading the XML: In by ChurchOrganist
Oh woaw ! Shame on me...
Many thanks for you answer.
I'm digging with the way I write a part, i.e. with a part chosen as a bass or not.
I feel more confident on what I'm doing now.
Many thanks again !
In reply to Oh woaw ! Shame on me... Many by brunal2496
No shame at all!
It took me about half an hour to figure out what was happening.
Raw XML isn't the easiest thing to read :)
Are you aware that all basses - electric and acoustic - sound an octave lower than written, and that MuseScore is taking this into account? Turn on the Concert Pitch button to see the actual pitch. Or, if you are using the clef with the little 8 next to it, know that this clef also means everything sounds an octave away from where it is written, and that applies whether concert pitch is on or off.
In reply to Are you aware that all basses by Marc Sabatella
Thanks.
There are no differences between Concert Pitch on or off, neither visually nor with the sound.
There are no 8va on my tracks.
What I expected is to have the same octave difference on all my instruments on all parts between the musescore file (I mean I'm digging into it with a text editor) and the exported MusicXML file. But it's not the case, and it's different inside a score (ex piano is one octave down, but bass is not !!).
I'm losing my mind...
In reply to Thanks. There are no by brunal2496
If the response above explaining the difference between MIDI and MusicXML note naming doesn't help sufficiently, please specifically, step by step, what you are doing, what you expect to see happen, and what happens instead.
However, I'm wondering how you managed to create a score for electric bass that doesn't show an octave transposition somewhere. You say there is no 8va, but that's not what I was saying - I said the clef itself probably has a little 8 by it indicating an octave transposition. That's pretty standard for both bass and guitar - they both sound an octave lower than normally written. So this is indicated either using the Concert Pitch transposition modes , or using the little 8. The 8 is certainly there in scores created within MuseScore if you select electric bass as the instrument. Might not be if you started from imported from MIDI or MusicXML or something? And in that case, whatever problem you are seeing might lie with the source you imported from.