Page Formatting and Layout
I'm using Musescore 1.3 on Windows XP.
Please advice how to shift an entire system from one page to the previous page. There is enough space in the previous page. Also please advise how to format individual pages, without affecting the full score.
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check http://musescore.org/en/handbook/layout-and-formatting
If that leaves questions open, it'd be best to attach your score here, so we can have a look and Play...
In reply to check by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for your reply.
If there was truly enough space on the previous page, MuseScore would have put the system there. Either the bottom page margin is stealing too much of that vacant space, or else the music lower margin is (both parameters documented in the aforementioned page, I assume). Reducing either of those parameters would allow the music to fit if the music. Or, if you discover that doing that really pushes the music too close to the bottom of the page, then simply reduce the overall size of the music (the "space" parameter).
In reply to If there was truly enough by Marc Sabatella
Sorry for the delay in responding. Thank you for your detailed instructions. On reducing the Top & Bottom Page margins (from 15mm to 10mm) the problem is solved. However, this being a global adjustment, other pages get distorted. Therefore, I used the "Staff Spacer" to expand/contract the rest of the music. However, it does not give me a good layout. I've reduced the scaling to 1.364, reducing it further makes it too congested. It would be good if Musescore could develop a software to adjust individual pages. Anyway, I'm happy with Musescore. Thanks once again.
In reply to Formatting & Layout by johnbhasme0315
If you'd Show (read: attach) your score here, we may try to fix the layout for you.
One possible trick is the Insertion of vertical Frames, then resizing them to a negative size.
Sort of a workaround for the fact that the spacer can increase the space between to staves, but not decrease, and that spacers don't play nicely with 'hide empty staves'.
In reply to If you'd Show (read: attach) by Jojo-Schmitz
I tried using the vertical/horizontal frames, but they were distorting the music. Anyway I'm attaching herewith the music. I wrote this out basically to look at the various features available on Musescore.
In reply to Formatting & Layout by johnbhasme0315
Sounds like you are referring to the "space" parameter, not a staff spacer - that's something different. Yes, reducing overall size is one way of fitting more per page, but there are lots of other parameters in the style / general / page dialog that can be adjusted, and it's usually possible to find settings that work for all pages. As mentioned, if you post your score here, people can probably help.
But as a guess, instead of changing page margins, I'd have started by changing the music upp / lower margin (space between page margin and music) and or the overall system distance, finding appropriate values for the page fill threshold that work well with your score. If it looked like another system would fit, it should have been possible to get it to do so without making major noticeable changes to anything else. But we'd need to see your actual score (eg, not just a picture of it) to be more specific.
In reply to Sounds like you are referring by Marc Sabatella
Thank you Marc for your suggestions. I'm attaching herewith the score. I attempted this basically to look at all the features Musescore has to offer in writing out music.
In reply to Page Formatting & Layout by johnbhasme0315
Looking at I noticed that all slurs that span more than one chord have not been extended correctly via shift right, so the anchor of the the slur end is still on the 2nd chord.
In meassure 40 and 66 that leads to slurs that leaves the page.
For lyrics melismas you didn't use the "_" to enter them, but some line from the palatte, why?
At many places you're using a slur, where I think it should be a tie.
What is it about the layout that you don't like and want to get adjusted?
Reducing lyrics upper margin to 1 and lyrics lower margin to 0 allowed for increasing the space value to 1.576mm and still fit 2 Systems per page.
Setting the page margins need to be done for odd and even pages, you had different settings there for the upper margin.
See attached, maybe it Looks better? I fixed some slurs and some melismas, but not all, and some hairpins may Need to get moved a bit.
In reply to Looking at I noticed that all by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm extremely sorry. This was not the score to be corrected. The title of this score is "The Angel And The Stranger", whereas the score with which I had problems is titled "The Heaven's Are Telling". I seem to have lost this score somehow. I don't know how to find out where it is saved.
In reply to Page Formatting & Layout by johnbhasme0315
Are you sure this is the right score? Your initial question said something about fitting an extra system on a page, but I can't imagine that being possible here. Or is this after your reduction of page margin and space? Seems to have worked, but there is indeed some extra space, so if you wanted, you should be able to increase margins and/or space. Especially if you also reduce the music margins, lyric margins, and/or other settings in style / edit general style / page. These parameters are interpreted very literally, so you can pretty much do the math to figure out what will fit and expect it to work. Only variable really is the amount of space allocated for lyrics.
In reply to Are you sure this is the by Marc Sabatella
His score didn't fit 2 Systems a page with any spacing larger than 1.376. Wit my modificatzions it fis with 1.576, still one step smaller than the default size and quite a few modification in Music/Lyrics upper/lower margin as well as page lenght
In reply to Are you sure this is the by Marc Sabatella
I'm extremely sorry. This was not the score to be corrected. The title of this score is "The Angel And The Stranger", whereas the score with which I had problems is titled "The Heaven's Are Telling". I seem to have lost this score somehow. I don't know how to find out where it is saved. I dont know how this error happened. Can you help me find this score please?
In reply to Page Formatting & Layout by johnbhasme0315
Have you tried looking for the backup file? See http://musescore.org/en/handbook/file-format, need to look for a file who's name start with a . and ends with a '
In reply to Are you sure this is the by Marc Sabatella
I located the file in a backup. I'm attaching it herewith.
In reply to Are you sure this is the by Marc Sabatella
I located the file in a back-up. It is attached herewith.
In reply to Page Formatting & Layout by johnbhasme0315
Same issue with slurs (and trills) not being extended corectly to span more than 2 notes, slurs being used where ties are due, lines being used where melismas are meant as mentioned earlier, for that other score.
On top the bracket for all voices is too long, it includes the piano treble clef. Uncheck the 'hide empty staves' to see and fix (after then you can hide them again).
If you want the 2 staves of the piano to be further appart, change 'accolade distance', to me it looks to small though almost the entire score.
You may want to check whether setting the page fill threshold to 100% looks better to you.
IMHO a space setting of 1,364 is too small. Maybe good enough for a conductor keeping the overview, but too small for the singers and instrumentalists. I also find the defauls space of 1.764 to big and almost always use 1.564, sometimes with increasing the lyrics by one step. If I use 1.364, then I do increase the lyrics font. The font needs to be at least 10, better 11, to be readable on stage, your's is 9 (and seems to have been changed from default, as it doesn't follow changes in space setting)
In reply to Same issue with slurs (and by Jojo-Schmitz
I'd say 1.364 works OK for *scores* from which one expects to then extract parts, but the parts need to be a lot larger. I usually save a copy of the score with larger size and generate parts from that.
For vocal music, it's pretty common for the singers to read directly from the score, so generating parts might not be the solution. In this particular case, I'd probably run the page horizontally and up the size to the default, then expect to get only one system per page.
But assuming one wants two systems per page, and expects people to read directly from the score, then indeed, you want to increase the size to at least 1.5. I found I could up the size to 1.6 and still fit two systems per page on most pages. And yes, playing with page margins as well as accolade, staff, and systems distances, plus music and lyric margins, gives you quite a bit of flexibility. These parameters are all applied quite literally. So usually the trick is to just step back and work through the math in your head - just how big can a staff be, how much space around it, etc to get what I want onto a page.