Messed up Eighth Note Spacing
I am transcribing some parts for my section in my school band to make them easier to read, but for some reason when I lower the pitch of my off-beat eighth notes below a B the notes are spaced unevenly.
The spacing issue is at section D of the first file. Second file with higher notes provided for reference.
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| Third_Suite_Movement_I_Alt.mscz | 25.42 KB |
| Third_Suite_Movement_I.mscz | 25.76 KB |
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Both of these are backup files and cannot be downloaded. I can tell because they start with a . and end with a ,
Upload the files without these marks.
In reply to Both of these are backup… by mike320
Oh, my bad, here are the right files
In reply to Oh, my bad, here are the… by Antoine Devictor
Sorry if I say nonsense, you refer to the number of measures?
In reply to Sorry if I say nonsense, you… by Shoichi
I was referring to the spacing of the eighth notes in the _Alt file
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In reply to I was referring to the… by Antoine Devictor
Layout/Decrease Layout Stretch?
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/layout-and-formatting#layout-stretch
Edit: Or on 'Alt' select yhe measures and press 'X' to see the spacing difference
In reply to Layout/Decrease Layout… by Shoichi
Its not perfect but its good enough for what I need, Thanks ~
In reply to Its not perfect but its good… by Antoine Devictor
The spacing looks very irregular. The rest seems closer to the start of the measure in the 5/4 section than in measures with other time signatures. Try changing the 1/4 note in measure 46 to two 1/8 rests and notice the difference in distance compared to those in the previous measures that are in 5/4. I thought that perhaps changing the beaming might make a difference by the beaming starting in measure 34 is different than the beaming that starts in measure 43 with the same results. I looks like you found a bug in the display. The distances are supposed to be the same.
In reply to The spacing looks very… by mike320
I apologize (maybe I didn't understand again): maybe you have to consider the space for the key signature?
In reply to I apologize (maybe I didn't… by Shoichi
@Shoichi, I think you understood fine. The spacing for the 5/4 measures is just wrong. Besides the space before the first rest in each of those measures, the spacing between the notes and rests is not consistent. As a test I tried to make the flags on the 8th notes invisible to see what the spacing looked like and it is still wrong.
In reply to @Shoichi, I think you… by mike320
I tried to make the flags on the 8th notes invisible to see what the spacing looked like and it is still wrong.
What measure(s) and which score?
In reply to Oh, my bad, here are the… by Antoine Devictor
I'm afraid I'm not understanding the problem. Which specific measure in which specific file are you thinking is not right? I do see a bunch of manual adjustments made to the spacing which does indeed mess up the correct spacing you otherwise would have gotten by default. For instance, in bar 43 of the non-Alt version, there are leading space adjustments made in the Inspector, and that is why the spacing is off, but remove those and all is well.
I suspect in the Alt version you getting confused by the flags, which are making the spacing - which is quite regular - look less regular than it actually is. This is but an optical illusion, however. It is true that some engravers choose to deliberately create irregular spacing to correct the illusion, and MuseScore does not. If you wish to do that yourself, you can indeed use the leading space adjustments. But be careful, because this can produce bad effect in other staves that might not have the same illusion going on.
mike320... You wrote:
Try changing the 1/4 note in measure 46 to two 1/8 rests...
OK, but for which score?
I see two scores attached (twice) by the OP.
I open "Third_Suite_Movement_I_Alt.mscz 25.42 KB" and see measures 34 - 36 and measures 38 - 40 containing notes with stems up.
I open "Third_Suite_Movement_I.mscz" and see notes with stems down for the same measures.
The difference between the two, as I see it, is the spacing of the notes when (as stated by the OP): I lower the pitch of my off-beat eighth notes below a B...
Lowering the pitch below B causes stems to go up, requiring more room between the flag and the following eighth rest:
Result... the measures get spread out more (or less).
Regards.
In reply to mike320... You wrote:… by Jm6stringer
Everything I observed was in the Alt version. I used this one because there were no adjustments to the locations of notes or stretch (at least in the measures I mentioned).
What appears off is the spacing before the 8th rests. If you put your ruler to the space between a rest and the next note you will see the distance is greater. If you look at the distance between a barline and the first beat in a measure you will see that the distance is shorter in all of the 5/4 measures. If the space between all of the noteheads and rests were the same it would not look odd when the notes are stem up. As I previously stated, I made the flags invisible to assure I wasn't seeing things.
In reply to Everything I observed was in… by mike320
As I said, this is an optical illusion. if you look at spacing between the end of one symbol and the start of another, it indeed looks irregular. But check spacing between starts of each symbol and you'll see it's actually quite regular. As it normally should be, otherwise it would throw off spacing on other staves. See for instance what happens if I add another staff and fill it with eighths:
You can see the eighths on the bottom staff are perfectly even, and that each symbol on the top staff is correctly aligned with the corresponding symbol on the bottom. Only the difference in the relative widths of the symbols on the top staff creates the illusion the spacing is anything but even. And as I said, it is true that some engravers will adjust things to correct the illusion if they know they can get away with it (eg, it won't mess up spacing in or alignment with other staves).
In reply to Everything I observed was in… by mike320
mike320... You wrote:
![Third_Suite_Movement_I_Alt_spacing.png]( "Third_Suite_Movement_I_Alt_spacing.png")
Try changing the 1/4 note in measure 46 to two 1/8 rests and notice the difference in distance compared to those in the previous measures that are in 5/4.
OK... the 1/4 note in measure 46 is changed into two 1/8 rests. So....now what?
Is it "This?" in the image above?
Additionally, you mention something about different time signatures and spacing.
Is that something else?
Regards