Pitch Bends
How can I achieve this effect at the end of this note in musescore using pitch bends.
The problem here is that I cannot down bend from my original note.
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Start from the lower note with an up-bend instead?
In reply to Start from the lower note… by jeetee
Yep thought of that. Tested it too.
Let me elaborate.
This note is an E4, and has a count of 3 (equivalent to a dotted half note).
Now since this bend is happening at the very end of the note, I used a D#4 half note, and tied it with a D#4 quarter note, and then applied a pre bend on the half note to make it a E4. For the quarter note, first 3 quarters is the same prebend, but in the fourth quarter added the actual bend.
I have added the pictures to give you an idea of what exactly I have done.
![Screenshot 2022-10-10 183820.png]( "Screenshot 2022-10-10 183820.png")
![Screenshot 2022-10-10 183758.png]( "Screenshot 2022-10-10 183758.png")
Now the problem is that, the quarter note alone sounds fine, but when tie with the half note, the bend at the end doesn't occur. It just continues to be an E4 note all along.
In reply to Yep thought of that. Tested… by [DELETED] 39744018
That symbol; is only meaningful for guitar - it's not used in any other context. And that's why it only supports upward bends - guitars are incapable of downward bends. Instead, you should be using a glissando or fall - those are the symbols understood by non-guitarists. The fall currently does not support playback but will in MuseScore 4. Arpeggios meanwhile work fine.
In reply to That symbol; is only… by Marc Sabatella
Yeah I can do individual notes with gliss.
But still, why isn't the pitch bend working with the tie? The prebend is applied, but the bend at the end doesn't occur.
In reply to Yeah I can do individual… by [DELETED] 39744018
No idea, could be a bug. Best to test in a current MuseScore 4 build and report it on GitHub if the problem still exists. Although, last I checked, bends weren't working at all yet there.
BTW, in theory you shouldn't need to tie trick, the designer should let you control when the bend starts.
In reply to No idea, could be a bug. … by Marc Sabatella
Again, we still cannot publish scores using Musescore 4 right?
And if I install it, will the 3.6.2 version will get updated, or it will remain as a different app from the Musescore ver 4?
And no, I need to do the tie since these bends since they happen literally in the last quarter of a quarter note. You can see the pics what I mean.
In reply to Again, we still cannot… by [DELETED] 39744018
3.6.2 will remain. no major version replaces a prior major version
In reply to 3.6.2 will remain. no major… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ah! Thanks for that. I didn't try ver 4 fearing it might mess up with existing installation.
In reply to Ah! Thanks for that. I didn… by [DELETED] 39744018
The alpha version does take over a bit by making itself the default app to open .mscz files (very annoying). But that is really only of historical interest now. To see how MS4 is shaping up try the nightly versions. They are much better behaved!
In reply to Yep thought of that. Tested… by [DELETED] 39744018
A tied note is considered a single note, which also means your bend instruction only is processed at the start of that note (so your second bend does nothing at all).
But given that you're sample is showing some (vibrato) organ sound the effect you're hearing could just as well be actual keypresses in an ornament. In which case I'd use "grace note after" to notate it and the PRE (or one of the articulation plugins) to adjust on/off-times to an approximation.
In reply to A tied note is considered a… by jeetee
Sorry but I still cannot get the desired effect. Tried your method too.
I tried using glisssando, but Musescore implementation of gliss is weird. Usually when you gliss, the note will slide to the next note, but the notes won't play. With Musescore's implementation, it actually plays.
Any idea how can I get the "vibrato" effect? I also tried the vibrato from the articulations menu, and it does absolutely nothing.
In reply to Sorry but I still cannot get… by [DELETED] 39744018
For the vibrato you'd select a fitting sound in the mixer. If one of the default ones isn't enough to your liking, you're free to browse the web for soundfonts that are close to what you seek.
In reply to For the vibrato you'd select… by jeetee
That isn't the point. I am already using the custom soundfont. Its the same as what you heard above. But I can't reproduce the effect in musescore. The audio was recorded from a midi player.
In reply to That isn't the point. I am… by [DELETED] 39744018
MuseScore can only play back the sample as made available in the soundfont, it doesn't have additional effect modifiers currently (coming in MS4 with VST3 support).
In reply to MuseScore can only play back… by jeetee
You are going in the wrong direction.
Even the midi player I am using is using the same soundfont. But for that vibrato effect, it is simply using midi pitch bend. That's what I am asking about. Pitch Bends.
Is there anything that can be done to do this, since I am not very familiar with Musescore and am still very new to it.
In reply to You are going in the wrong… by [DELETED] 39744018
MuseScore is a notation program that also does playback, but it's not intended for providing the sort of fine control over the MIDI data that a DAW program would. if having very specific MIDI effects is important, best to export to MIDI then edit in your DAW.
In reply to MuseScore is a notation… by Marc Sabatella
So again, talking about the same issue, but this time I found something out more weird. I think its a bug.
![Untitled.png]( "Untitled.png")
The same setup, but since I was proceeding with the song, I had added more notes.
The weird thing is that when you play the tied note, the pitch doesn't change from E4.
But in the next measure, on the third count (from where the half note is beginning; the note which has been marked in blue) the bend actually plays, even though no pitch bend has been applied on that note. And it happens for a whole count (i.e. till the first half of the half note has been played.)
I know Musescore 3.6.2 won't be receiving any updates, but I thought its still worth mentioning this.
In reply to You are going in the wrong… by [DELETED] 39744018
Again, placing the bend on the 2nd part of a tied note does not what you think it does in MuseScore. The bend instruction is taken from the first note in the chain (see also the first bar in my example, which does use the bend instead of the grace-note after).
But no, you don't get more control over the bend timing than the available grid.
In reply to Again, placing the bend on… by jeetee
Yep! I get it, the second tied note won't undergo changes to its pitch. But its pretty interesting to see the weird behavior of the pitch bend when applied to tied notes.
And yeah I can't get control over the bend timings.