Slashes and voices in Beta 2
I like the new application for slashes but am disappointed that voices are no longer included, A voice other than "1" must be used for notes that carry over to a measure with slashes. It's an OK solution but cumbersome.
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Can you explain what you mean in more detail, perhaps post a sample score? There should be no limitations compared to 1.3.
With "fill with slashes", it always uses voice 1, butyou can use edit / voices / exchange to move them to another voice if you wish. You can also select partial measures before running the tool, so no need to use multiple voices just to split a measure between normal notes and slash notation if they don't happen at the same time. If you want slashes and notes at the same time, and you've already entered the notes into voice 1, then you do indeed need to first move the notes to another voice with edit / voices / exchange.
With "toggle rhythmic slash notation", it uses whichever voice you have selected, so you can use the Selection Filter to select the voice you want to use before issuing the command.
In reply to Can you explain what you mean by Marc Sabatella
In the attached score I'm referencing measures 59 and 60. When creating my scores, I'll enter the notes then the chords. I'll then go back and enter other notations. repeats, codas, articulations, etc. If I enter slash marks afterward, the notes disappear. I then have to use another voice to add those notes back in. Also, should I decide to modify those measures, e.g. remove the slashes, the chords disappear. To me, anyway, it was so much easier to select a voice for the slashes.
Quote: "If you want slashes and notes at the same time, and you've already entered the notes into voice 1, then you do indeed need to first move the notes to another voice with edit / voices / exchange." Quote. This is indeed one of the issues.
In reply to In the attached score I'm by rwmol
How is that an issue? It is one mouse move more to swap the voices. And not even that, had you entered those notes in voice 2 from the start?
In reply to How is that an issue? It is by Jojo-Schmitz
Well let me put it this way: My opinion is the Slashes should not be integrated with any other notation.
In reply to Well let me put it this way: by rwmol
?? But that is exactly what you want, slashes in one voice, notes in another, or am I getting this wrong?
In reply to ?? But that is exactly what by Jojo-Schmitz
The Slashes, by default, are attached to Voice 1. If the Slashes are removed, all other notation, by default, attached to Voice 1 would also be removed.
In reply to The Slashes, by default, are by rwmol
what other notation? Chord symbols( no, don't get removed)? Lyrics (yes, but do they make sense on a slash?)? But even if, just swap voices back after having added slashes.
Also I though you want to add slashes, not remove them?
In reply to In the attached score I'm by rwmol
In cases where you want to have slashes and notation at the same time as in your example measures 59-60, there is of course a choice to make a choice as to which voice has the slashes and which has the notes. In order to simplify the interface for the majority of uses, the new facility elimiantes the dialog. This means you need to use voice exchange, but that's not especially more difficult than using the dialog. If you have already entered the notes into voice 1, move them into voice 2, then add slashes. And if you really want your notes in voice 1 and slashes in vocie 2, exchange them back when you're done. If this is something you do often, feel free to define a keyboard shortcut for exchange voices 1 & 2, and then it is literally only one extra click for this case, while still being fewer clicks in all other cases. Another solution if you do this often is to set up a measure with slashes in voices 2 (fill with slashes then exchange) and simply copy this around where you want, using the Selection Filter to filter out voice 1.
I don't think it's worth making the usual case more complex (by adding a dialog) just to save a click or two in the less common cases.
BTW, to remove slashes in one voice while leave the notes in another, the Selection Filter is your friend.
In reply to In cases where you want to by Marc Sabatella
Hmm, a possible solution occurs to me that makes this case and the usual case equally simple (no dialog): just have the tool check to see if voice 1 is "empty", and use voice 2 if so. Realistically, I probably wouldn't to check the whole selected range - if the first beat of the selection contains a rest in voice 1 rather than a note, I'd use voice 1, otherwise voice 2. Actually, I could also check voice 2 and use voice 3 if both have content, or just go back to voice 1.
What we lose is the sometimes-nice aspoect that you can *replace* a notated section with slashes using the current algorithm. But it would just be a matter of pressing Delete before runnign the tool if I made this change.
In reply to Hmm, a possible solution by Marc Sabatella
"check to see if voice 1 is "empty", and use voice 2 if so"
Replace "so" with "not":
"check to see if voice 1 is "empty", and use voice 2 if not"
;-)
In reply to Hmm, a possible solution by Marc Sabatella
Well. Here's where I think I might be going the wrong direction. If I take an empty measure and add slashes I can remove them by selecting the measure and press Delete. If there is other notation in that measure, in another voice, I have to hold down Ctrl, select the slashes and then delete them, leaving behind rests. I can make them invisible with Inspector. I guess this is one method.
It would be nice if you could "empty" a voice. Maybe there is. I don't know.
In reply to Well. Here's where I think I by rwmol
Selection filter, deselect every thing but the voice to delete, select the measure(s), Ctrl-X, voila!
In reply to Selection filter, deselect by Jojo-Schmitz
Now you're talkin". How about adding "Slashes" to the filter. Otherwise, this works. Thanks
In reply to Now you're talkin". How about by rwmol
Slashes are just notes that happen to have different heads than normal (and may or may not be stemless). So there is really no good way to filter on them or otherwise treat them more specially than we already do (they don't transpose and don't display accidentals).
In reply to Hmm, a possible solution by Marc Sabatella
I've implemented the automatic voice-selection algorithm for the "fill with slashes" command. I go through each measure of each staff one by one, choosing the first empty voice for each. "Empty" in this context means, no notes - it could have rests (normal or full measure) or it could have nothing. It seems to work well in my tests, and it fixes a bug I found along the way having to do with selections that begin with a partial measure across multiple staves.
Thanks for the feedback; hopefully this satisfies everyone. I will update here when it's merged.
In reply to I've implemented the by Marc Sabatella
Thanks Marc. This issue isn't wide spread for me but could for others down the line. I must say, this forum is the best.
In reply to I've implemented the by Marc Sabatella
The change is in, check out the latest Nightly and let me know if you see any issues.
In reply to I've implemented the by Marc Sabatella
I installed and tried your nightly build. It works fine.
I tried removing the slashes with leaving no notation behind, on the voice for the slashes, by using the method provided by JoJo-Schmitz. This also worked but left an unwanted behavior. I could no longer select any measure.
This is the first time I have used the filter. For me, it would be helpful if a right click on the filter body would produce something like: "select all" and "deselect all". This may be a subject of another thread.
In reply to I installed and tried your by rwmol
See #33131: Add a way to select/deselect all in Selection Filter
In reply to I installed and tried your by rwmol
Once you deselect voice 1 in the filter, it is indeed impossible to select a measure that has only one voice. That's because there is nothing there to select. I suppose we could special case this and still allow the selection to appear to be made, and the blue rectangle to be drawn, but there would be nothing actually selectewd, so in a sense, that might be *more* confusing.
Anyhow, you just need to re-select voice 1 before continuing.
Regarding select/deselect all, I agree it would be useful sometimes. But for the case at hand - deleting the slashes in voice 2 - you really shouldn't need to do anything but deselect voice 1. Your chord symbols and everything else of interest should already be in voice 1, so voice 2 basically contains the slashes and nothing else.
In reply to Once you deselect voice 1 in by Marc Sabatella
Now I feel stupid. Of course. Thanks Marc.
BTW. Where are you. The time stamps put you somewhere in the Italy time zone.
In reply to Now I feel stupid. Of course. by rwmol
First, no need to feel stupid - this is new stuff. That particular aspect confused me at first too. I wonder if maybe a dialog for this situation wouldn't be a bad idea - "Nothing to select - check your filter" or something like that.
Interesting abut the time stamp. In the USA (Colorado).