Copy single notes out of a chord into another staff
Ok. I am arranging for my Big Band. I have normally an extra (piano staff) to sketch out my voicings. After doing that I want to take one voice out of my voicing and want to let e.g. the third trumpet play that part. I expected that it should be possible to select these notes and copy (STRG+C) them to the staff of that trumpet (STRG+V). But that does not work this way...I also tried to drag them with pressed Alt-, STRG-, Shift- keys and combinations of them, but nor of these things worked. Is there any solution out there, or should that be a feature request?
Oliver
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I suspect what you really want is Edit / Tools / Explode. See "Tools" in the Handbook for more info. Simply use the top trumpet staff for all four (or five) trumpet parts, then select it and explode, and everything is split out for you.
In reply to I suspect what you really by Marc Sabatella
Yes, that is the way I've done it most of the time. but that is not always wanted. I want to have the possibility to give the first, third, and fifth voice of my voicing to the trumpets, and the second and fourth voice to the Bones...maybe one octave lower (STRG+CURS DOWN, I know)...
kind regards, Oli
In reply to Yes, that is the way I've by olivo
You can still do that - just explode first, then copy and paste & octave shift as desired.
In reply to You can still do that - just by Marc Sabatella
That is a workaround.
It works.
But I still found it useful to copy a note out of a chord into another staff...MuseScore became more useful, if it was able to behave like this...
Feature request?
In reply to That is a workaround. It by olivo
Sure, doesn't hurt to ask. But it seems like it would be 100 times more work to have to laboriously select the correct note from each chord before copying and pasting, when explode does the job instantly, so I'm not really seeing the value yet.
In reply to Sure, doesn't hurt to ask. by Marc Sabatella
At the moment I have to copy the notes by hand, ...,or copy whole bars and delete those notes I don't need... which is actually no fun.
99 % of the requested functionality is already built in. I mean I cannot see the reason to not being able to copy selected notes.
See my example score...Believe me, it was easier then
![CopySingleNotesOutOfChord.png]()
Oliver
In reply to At the moment I have to copy by olivo
Have you had a look at Edit/Tools/Explode? See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/tools#explode
In reply to At the moment I have to copy by olivo
What I am still not understanding ishow you'd actually select the notes you want to extract. Laboriously Ctrl+clicking each note from a long passage would take, as I said, at least 100 times longer than simply using Explode followed by copy and paste, which could create the example you show above as well as much longer ones in mere seconds. In fact,eventhat short example you show would be much faster with Explode. So I am still not quite understanding why you think having to manually select notes individually from chord would be an improvement.
In reply to What I am still not by Marc Sabatella
Yes, Marc, yes, your explode tool is a powerful weapon. You are arguing with efficiency. Building up the big "parking area" (aka Place II of towers of Hanoi) for the interim parts( I finally won't even need), is timetaking, too. In short words: Let us think of a software to build houses -- Before having the ability to copy brickwalls I would prefer being able to copy single bricks as well. Musescore is great; I love it; but in that point it lacks BASIC FUNCTIONALITY. Btw. "Notion" could do it for me...but it lacked the explode functionality, which was a more critical fault in my mind...
Forget it, I will write a plugin for my "alien" request
Kind regards, Oli
P.S. Marc; it seems you loose the moderator's standard, because you defend MuseScore (as it is) at all costs.
A broad user base means also to provide many ways to reach one goal...Not only the single one, you like most..
In reply to Yes, Marc, yes, your explode by olivo
It's not about "defending" MuseScore, or doing so "at all costs". It is, as I said, simply about the fact that I am not simply understanding your intended usage. So here is your opporunity to educate me - please explain exactly how the facility you propsoe would work. Maybe post a score where you think it would be hellful, describe what the menus would look like, what buttons you'd click and in what order to make it work. I could then show you how you could do the same thing in Explode, and we could discuss which is more efficient. And if you have some idea I am not seeing that really would be more efficient, I could totally get behind it.
Maybe it is just my imagination that is faulty, but so far, I am unable to see how a facility like you are alluding to could be more efficient. So maybe you could start by explaining how you'd do it in Notion.
Buyt FWIW, I'm also wondering - how would it deal with situations where, for instance, the notes you selected were not contiguous? Like if you selected a single note from the first and fourth chords in the measure depicted above? Or what if you selected two notes from one chord, three notes in the next?
In reply to It's not about "defending" by Marc Sabatella
Hi Marc,
I will prepare a presentation; or kind of...but that will take me some time, which is rare nowadays. I hope to get it ready this weekend.
Personally: I appreciate your work here very much and I see, that you and musescore became undivisible. So believe me, I come in peace, my comments last night sounded harsher than my mind was at any stage.
Your question about selected not contiguos notes was an important one. I checked that out and found, that in most of common software (yes, in a word processor, too, but it works) the behaviour is really weak as rests seems not to be set automatically (goes ok for word, doesn't it?), leaks get ignored totally...which is to my mind absolutely acceptable in that "basic functionality" (No combat, please). Maybe you will see it in some days.
Kind regards,
Oliver
One more thing: If we were not able to copy single notes in the future; the gui should tell us. Now we CAN select single notes, we can click EDIT / COPY. And we can click EDIT / PASTE, but it does not work. That IS a misbehaving of the software, a socalled BUG. But please don't care...It was better to make it work.
In reply to Hi Marc, I will prepare a by olivo
Great, I look forward to discussing these ideas further when you have the time.
BTW, in case it isn't clear: MuseScore *does* allow you to copy *single* notes, as well as ranges. That is, click any single note, Ctrl+C, then click any other note or rest, Ctrl+V, and the latter is replaced by the former.
So to me the "basic functionality" one would expect is already present. The only thing missing is the ability to copy *multiply selected* individual notes; to me this isn't basic functionality at all but pretty esoteric. As far as I know, neither Finale nor Sibelius allow this, nor do other programs I can remember having used. And any program that tried to allow it would have to deal with the problems of discontinguous or non-homogenous selections. So I really am curious to know how this works in Notion. i have inly the iPad version of Notion, and as far as I can this is not supported, but maybe there is a way and I just haven't found it.
In reply to Great, I look forward to by Marc Sabatella
Apparently, LibreOffice does this (click image to start animation):
Ahem,
yepp, look above, and look further to my example; the soprano voice cannot be achieved instantly with just the explode command; really, I know the explode command pretty well, and for 75% of my orchestrations/arrangements it is powerful and more than handy.
But for the little more creative voicings (still deriving from the underlying 4 way close (w/ double lead) it would be handy to extract any selected notes out of the sketch staff.
It is not a big band thing, it is a general orchestration thing. Mr. Ravel also extracted voices out of Mussorgskys original composition "Pictures at an Exhibition" for piano solo. I think the requested feature had made his work a great deal easier.