Horizontal frame on first line of music
Attached is the beginning of a set of choral responses I've started composing. I've used horizontal frames to separate the intonation from the choral response. You'll notice that the resizing of the frames does not impact the first measure on every line except the first. When the frame is resized in the first line, the first measure length reacts as if the line is justified. e.g. As I drag the frame handle to the right, the first measure shrinks to the left. Is there any way to avoid this behavior so that it works like the subsequent lines?
The problem goes away if I add lots more measures to the first line so it's weird that it works fine on line two with the same number of measures...
Thanks for any help!
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In the 1st System you used staff text, in the subsequent Systems you used lyrics. Lyrics need to stae whithin the measure they belong to and their lenght here prevents the measure to get shorter.
staff test doesn't have this restriction, so there the measure can shrink.
As these are lyrics, maybe you want it like the attached?
In reply to In the 1st System you used by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for the quick response. I had tried lyrics but was getting frustrated because the note centered on the whole line of text. Moving the text around seems to have random results for where the note and measure length end up.
Even with your addition of lyrics instead of staff text, the first measure of the first line behaves differently than the other lines. Plus, if I delete all text, the other starting measures do not move at all when dragging the horizontal frame.
And finally, even when I manually shift the note to the left to line up with the first word of text, the measure seems too long with stretch set to 0 (see attached). Is there any way to get the double barline to almost line up with the word "lips" without having to push measure 2 too far to the right of the page?
In reply to Thanks for the quick by bachstudies
I wouldn't know how...
In reply to Thanks for the quick by bachstudies
"Is there any way to get the double barline to almost line up with the word "lips" without having to push measure 2 too far to the right of the page?"
Try adding another horizontal frame. See attachment.
Regards.
In reply to "Is there any way to get the by Jm6stringer
OK, that's really interesting. I noticed on your file that my first measure stays absolutely still while I move the horizontal frames. Thinking it was due to the extra frame, I deleted one and the first measure remains "locked" exactly as I'd like even with just one. How did you do that?
On my previous versions, adding a second frame does nothing to change the behavior I was complaining about!
In reply to OK, that's really by bachstudies
OK, I think I figured it out...
When I compared my file to yours, ALL my measures were set as stretch=0 whereas yours only the first measure was set to 0. Once I reset the stretch for measures 2-4, the horizontal frame dragging ceased affecting my first measure length on the first line. Woohoo!
Thanks everyone for the input!
In reply to Thanks for the quick by bachstudies
Lyric syllables that don't represent melismas are normally *supposed* to be centered under the note - that's standard engraving practice. Lyric syllables that represent melismas are left aligned. That's standard practice, so that's what MuseScore does.
If you have some other situation where you want something left aligned, simply set the algined in text Properties. No need to manually adjust the position of anything, which won't look right if the layout ever changes anyhow. Just set the lyric to left aligned and leave the measure spacing and barline position at the defaults and all should be well as far as I am understanding the situation.
As for why adjusting the width of horizontal frame sometimes affects the width of the first measure and sometimers does not, I am not acutally sure. It *should* do so always - the widths of all measures should be recalculated according to the remaining space on the line after subtracting the width of the frame. And it works that way for me in a simple test score. So you must have done something unusual to make some systems behave differently (and wrong), but I'm not sure what. EDIT: oh, I see, misread the responses above, it's about the stretch.
In reply to Lyric syllables that don't by Marc Sabatella
Thanks, Marc. It makes a lot of sense. As for the horizontal frame on line one, I think it is all working well. The frame is after the first measure and so the left-edge is correctly holding the first measure in position as it resizes the remaining measures on the line. At least it does that (exactly what I want!) when I make the first measure zero stretch and the rest default.