Did Melisma lines break in 3.5?
I am having a problem extending melisma lines into other voices. E.g. the melisma line starts in voice 1 but expends into voice 2. I included a comment from years ago that shows what I mean. Back then, it worked but NOW it seems something is broken. The old comment included a score showing the melisma line extending into a voice 2. However, when I open the score in 3.5 (stable) I can no longer get it to extend into voice 2. Is there a trick to getting this to work?
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I'm confused, you're linking to a bug report that explicitly mentions the melisma line is not supposed to extend over the voice two notes, and that this was corrected for 3.0 already.
#44271: Melisma extends to notes in other voices is very certainly way to old to be relevant here. Actually that expending into a different voice was a bug and got fixed
In reply to #44271: Melisma extends to… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ok, I misread the old comment during my search for this issue. But let me give you an example where extending over voice 2 is NOT a bug. You have a guitar and voice singing; that's it. The guitar can play multiple voices (usually just two) at the same time. However, you want the voice to keep singing that word to the end of the measure (over those two voices). How do you notate that if the melisma doesn't extend to the end of the measure. Yes, I know any singer will know what to do, but I want to be able to notate that in the score. Isn't that what the melisma is for - as an indication to the singer to keep singing that word until the next word?
In reply to Ok, I misread the old… by odelphi231
Well, a single singer can only sing one voice, so quite naturally a lyrics syllable it does do that voice and can't jump between several.
I guess you need a separate vocal staff rather than combining voice and Guitar in one staff, or need another, possible invisible note in the 'voice' that holds the lyrics syllable(s)
In reply to Ok, I misread the old… by odelphi231
Do I understand correctly? You have lyrics on a guitar staff with the singer using the notes in voice 1 of the guitar to tell him what to sing. You have them hold a note that starts on beat 2 to then end of a 4/4 measure but voice 2 of the guitar still plays a different rhythm. You get
and can't put a melisma on the last word.
In reply to Do I understand correctly?… by mike320
Simple: attach 'love' to the 3rd 8th in voice 2, then use underscore till the last 8th
But be prepared for the singer to misinterpret and actually song those 8th notes
In reply to Do I understand correctly?… by mike320
If I am reading your example score correctly, then YES, that is what I mean. I wouldn't be able to put a melisma after the word "Love" if those 8th notes are voice 2.
EDIT: I tried to do it with your example score and I couldn't do it. I couldn't put a melisma on the first word either to cover the first 8th note arpeggio.
In reply to If I am reading your example… by odelphi231
Add the lyrics to voice 2
![voice.png]( "voice.png")
In reply to Add the lyrics to voice 2 by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, visually this works, but when you play it the words will follow the voice two arpeggio, which is not what you want. You want the "My" and "Love" to hold the half-notes while the guitar plays underneath it.
In reply to Yes, visually this works,… by odelphi231
What but visual is lyrics? It looks exactly like you want it to look and sounds the same as if the lyrics where attached to voice 1
In reply to What but visual is lyrics? by Jojo-Schmitz
OK, so this is a workaround. You wouldn't normally put the lyrics on the second voice. So why was this a bug, if this is the workaround (needing to put the lyrics on voice 2)? How I discovered this issue is needing to put multiple voices on the Voice staff in order to "handle" multiple verses that have unmatched syllables. See my comment at: https://musescore.org/en/node/311097.
Currently, there is no way to handle this issue unless you use multiple voices on the voices staff. Or, at least, I don't know how to handle it any other way.
In reply to If I am reading your example… by odelphi231
In this example though, I would opt for putting those lyrics above the staff.
In reply to In this example though, I… by jeetee
Oh, yes, of course.
![voice.png]( "voice.png")
In reply to Do I understand correctly?… by mike320
This issue was originally called a bug if you extend the melisma to another voice. I am confused about that. If you don't want the melisma to extend into the second voice just don't hit Shift+- to do it. Or was it automatically doing it without the notator wanting it to?
In reply to This issue was originally… by odelphi231
It was automatically doing so, with no way to not do it.
In reply to It was automatically doing… by jeetee
Ok, thanks. Now I understand.