How to produce two parts from two voices with different dynamics ?
Hello,
I encounter a slight problem for which I can not find any practical solution.
I thought a plugin could fix it but I think it's wasted time if the code evolves and / or the team has already planned to fix it (?).
Here is the problem :
Parts generation - when they share the same staff on the conductor (condensed score) - works very well for notes but not for many objects like dynamics which:
- on the one hand: are not easily interchangeable between voices;
- on the other hand: although displayed with the voice color end up being found on both parts (very annoying ..);
- this is also true when Fl. 1 play at one specific dynamic while Fl. 2 is TACET : the dynamic symbol is printed on the Fl. 2 part;
A keyboard shortcut to change the position of objects (dynamics) would be welcome in this context;
As long as the dynamics and other objects are not assigned to the voice, it seems like it will take hours and hours to correct everything manually: hide, move to the top / bottom and so on.
I would very much like to know how you, composer-orchestrators using MuseScore do you manage to realize large orchestral pieces or operas with this handicap when it becomes necessary to print a condensed score (clarity, page turns, ...) and when the two parts play simultaneously in different dynamics (what happens in modern music)?
I'm sure someone has encountered this problem before and found an effective solution!
Thank you very much !
Best regards,
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Comments
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Simple: you don't.
See also #58031: Dynamics/hairpin range for Voice
In reply to Simple: you don't. See also … by Jojo-Schmitz
Hello,
Thank you taking the time to answer my question.
Is there another solution than hiding some dynamics and move them to the top or bottom of the staff with the mouse ?
Best,
In reply to Hello, Thank you taking the… by CB.
As said, this is just not possible with MuseScore currently. Making them invisble is a possible (and partial) workaround
In reply to Hello, Thank you taking the… by CB.
https://fr.schott-music.com/shop/pdfviewer/index/readfile/?idx=MTMzMzgw…
This is very annoying ... Is this planned for MuseScore 4?
If you don't mind, I would love to hear from you on all the other possible workarounds? Thank you very much !
In reply to https://fr.schott-music.com… by CB.
It is possible, display-wise, using the mentioned workaround. It is not possible playback-wise, see the issue I linked to.
In reply to It is possible, display-wise… by Jojo-Schmitz
I don't care about playback. I'm just looking for the most efficient way to achieve something like the link above: condensed score + individual parts (with sometimes different dynamics at the same time).
What would be your step-by-step approach?
OR
OR ?
Thanks again and sorry for the inconvenience.
P. S. : Was there anything planned for MuseScore 4? Imagine how many users the community could gain if this story of dynamics (...) attached to voices were resolved.
In reply to I don't care about playback… by CB.
Just like you did it already, only additionally in the parts making the 'wrong' dynamics invisible
In reply to Just like you did it already… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ok ! :)
Condensed score -> parts from voices
and not: implode individual staffs in order to build the condensed score, right ?
I would like to be sure that I understood correctly. So it's the reverse of Dorico ?
Do you think this "problem" will persist for months to come ? Is it a priority ?
Best,
In reply to Ok ! :) Condensed score>… by CB.
I don't see this getting fixed any time soon. And I don't know how Dorico does this.
In reply to I don't see thne getting… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks.
In reply to Thanks. Any shortcut to set… by CB.
Default is bottom, so keep it there. In the condensed part you need top and bottom to make the voice assignment clear, in the parts you don't. Shortcut is X
Not sure about a plugin.
In reply to Default is bottom, so keep… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for the shortcut !
I tried to add / remove slurs in both voices : linked part 1 responded perfectly but not so part 2 (voice 2 in the conductor) : this one doesn't refreshes in comparaison to part 1 (voice 1 in the conductor);
Strange..
Have you already encountered this problem ?
In reply to Thanks for the shortcut ! I… by CB.
That seems a shortcoming of that voice to part feature, what was voice 2 in the score becomes voice 1 in the voice 2 part, and then the voice 2 slur doesn't work anymore
See #297444: Hairpin attached to note other than in voice 1 in score appears on wrong part
And reg. dynamics see #310295: Slurs and dynamics appear in other staff and #304456: Inconsistent behaviour with dynamics and hairpins, when use parts from voices
In reply to That seems a shortcomimg of… by Jojo-Schmitz
In this present case, what would you do if you were me ?
In reply to In this present case, what… by CB.
Use 2 separate instruments
In reply to Use 2 separate instruments by Jojo-Schmitz
Do you mean : no condensed score at all ?
Or 1 instrument = 1 staff ?
In reply to Do you mean : no condensed… by CB.
1 instrument = 1 staff
Or a common part for both instruments sharing a staff
In reply to 1 instrument = 1 staff by Jojo-Schmitz
I want to avoid one part with one staff containing Fl. 1 et Fl. 2 parts as two voices. Each player has to read only his own part.
As I can imagine, easiest way would be to have three staves in working score:
In production score hide flute1 and flute 2, but parts generate from flute 1 and flute 2 staves.
steb by step:
1. copy content of flute1 to flutes
2. implode flutes with flute2
3. add missing dynamics
4. hide in score, create parts