Hairpin on one note
Hi. Don't see a simple way to have a hairpin (or cresc.) on, for example, a dotted whole note. Do I have to have more than one note? Thanks.
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Hi. Don't see a simple way to have a hairpin (or cresc.) on, for example, a dotted whole note. Do I have to have more than one note? Thanks.
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Also, any way I can get an alert when there's a reply?
In reply to Also, any way I can get an… by agroden
Unless you went out of your way when setting up your account or unsubscribed from this thread, you should get notified about any reply via email
In reply to Unless you went out of your… by Jojo-Schmitz
When I checked my settings, my email was misspelled. It should end .com.
Single note hairpins are possible, just select the note and click the hairpin on the palette (or press < or >)
Whether this does sound, depends on the instrument (and the sound used), not all instruments do support single note dynamics
In reply to Single note hairpins are… by Jojo-Schmitz
In bar 70, when I do as you say, the hairpin doesn't place correctly, as you can see (it's tiny) in the clarinet part. You can also see that it's fine in the flute part, but that's over a tied note.
I'll check my settings, but I have yet to get an alert email.
Thanks,
Adam
In reply to In bar 70, when I do as you… by agroden
In measure 70 I see single note hairpins on some invisible rests. What do you expect there, the rests to become louder???
What is the purpose of those invisible rests?
Also if I delete these hairpin, select the rest and press < (or click the hairpin in the palette), they do look different, so how did you apply them?
In reply to In measure 70 I see single… by Jojo-Schmitz
No idea how those invisible rests got there. I didn't know they were there. How do I view them? Perhaps this has something to do with the score having been exported from Logic.
In reply to No idea how those invisible… by agroden
Thes are sort of visible, greyed out, so you can see them in MuseScore, but they won't print.
Well possible that Logic plays a role there, the MusicXML import.
In reply to Thes are sort of visible,… by Jojo-Schmitz
I know what you mean — I've seen them before, but they're completely invisible on my end. Do you see them in every instrument?
In reply to I know what you mean — I've… by agroden
Yes, in all instruments but the top one in measure 70
In reply to Yes, in all instruments but… by Jojo-Schmitz
Somehow, I sent an older version of the file. Here's the newer one. Do you still see the invisible rests?
In reply to Somehow, I sent an older… by agroden
No
In reply to No idea how those invisible… by agroden
There are too many beats in bar 70, and no agreement on where the ff is. Why is the flute note a series of tied notes. You can drag the hairpin to the left and move the ff. But the measure is still not correct.
In reply to There are too many beats in… by bobjp
It must look different on your end. On mine, the number of beats in bar 70 is fine. This is an export from Logic, so I'm cleaning up some of the notation, but the flute part is divided up into tied notes to make it easier to count in the 12/8 time. The ff marks all appear to me to be at the end of the bar.
You have to have more than one note when you use dynamics though, one note per dynamic, this is what your latest sample score doesn't have, it has 2 dynamics attached to the same (dotted whole) note, the 2nd dynamic (the ff) visually displaced to the end of the measure and then a hairpin "in betweeen" them
In reply to You have to have more than… by Jojo-Schmitz
Seems like I'm back to square one. The flute part, which has several tied notes — no problem. But the other wind parts don't allow me to show a crescendo hairpin on the dotted whole note. This doesn't change if I eliminate the mp at the start. So . . . can one put a hairpin on a single note, and if so, how. Thanks so much.
(Don't suppose you do phone calls. If so, I'm at 816 516 2119.)
In reply to Seems like I'm back to… by agroden
Yes, you can, but not with that 2nd dynamic, the ff
In reply to Yes, you can, but not with… by Jojo-Schmitz
Okay, so I can't put a hairpin on one note if there's a dynamic marking at the end of the note. That means there's no simple way to show a crescendo on one note ending at a specific dynamic level.
In reply to Okay, so I can't put a… by agroden
The trick is to either add the dynamic at the following note/rest or use an additional voice to specify where the ff should be.
In reply to The trick is to either add… by jeetee
And the less trickery approach is to simply don't rely on a dynamic at all for the playback interpretation (do keep it for humans!), but use the inspector to set the velocity change for the hairpin explicitly.
In reply to The trick is to either add… by jeetee
So I created a second voice for one of the bars, changed the dynamic markings to refer to that voice, added the hairpin, adjusted its size and location, and made the notes for this voice invisible. Whew! That's one bar. I can't add the final dynamic mark to the next note when it changes to a different dynamic on that note, though I can — with a little fiddling — put the dynamic on a rest mark if that what follows — at your suggestion. I don't care about the playback. Thanks.
In reply to Okay, so I can't put a… by agroden
But the ff is not attached to the end of a note. It is at the end of the measure. There's a difference. I suspect you moved it there. Dynamics attach to the start of notes (or rests like the flute part). which is why the hairpin showed after the ff. So you can have the dotted whole note have a hairpin but not with two dynamic attached to the beginning of the note. There's probably a complicated way you could do it graphicly. With hidden this or that. Who knows what it would do to playback. Or you could re-evaluate what you've written.
In reply to But the ff is not attached… by bobjp
The literature is filled with hairpins on one note ending with a dynamic mark. It seems that musescore, which I admire, should be able to handle this more easily.
I now see, in part because of what you wrote, that I can attach two dynamic marks to the same note, move the second, put in the hairpin, and then futz with it.
In reply to The literature is filled… by agroden
Sure, the literature is filled with music that was not produced by notation software, much less MuseScore.
In reply to The literature is filled… by agroden
MuseScore does handle this quite simply, just add the dynamic directly to the hairpin and enter the desired velocity change on the hairpin using the Inspector. No futzing required.
Of course, most of the time there is a hairpin on one note, the end dynamic occurs on the next note. Only if there is no next note, or if you need a subito change to a new dynamic on that next note, do you need to mess with the Inspector. Still quite simple though.
In reply to But the ff is not attached… by bobjp
But the ff is not attached to the end of a note. It is at the end of the measure.
No, it isn't, it is attached to the (beginning of) the first and only note on that measure and then visually moved to the end of the measure.
In reply to No, it isn't, it is attach… by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm talking about why the flute part works.