Ads in musescore.org
As of latest there seem to be ads on musescore.org:
Stop this right now, or this will stop my contributions to this site.
This is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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Really sad to see the website go down this path....
Same here. This makes me very reluctant to keep contibuting to the forum.
In reply to Same here. This makes me… by Miguel Vicente…
Agree.
In reply to Agree. by graffesmusic
Unfortunately I'm not surprised...
In reply to Unfortunately I'm not… by ILPEPITO
And it's not even that impressive of a program.
Who is responsible for allowing (or not) such things? On the other hand, the program and the forum are free. And I certainly can't thank the programmers, enough. But the money has to come from somewhere, and I don't see sheet music sales as that much of an income stream.
Would you pay a nominal sum to opt out of those ads? I know a couple of machinist's sites operate like that. And look at all the phone and tablet apps that charge an extra fee to go app-free.
It may be an unfortunate sign of the times. [sigh]
In reply to And it's not even that… by mikey12045
The forum is kept alive by volunteers who spend their time helping the community, with no reward other than the satisfaction of helping.
As for me, knowing that someone is profiting from it only discourages me from continuing to contribute. I would rather participate in another forum where that is not the case.
In reply to The forum is kept alive by… by Miguel Vicente…
And you, and all of the other volunteers deserve great plaudits. This forum could not exist without the contributions of so many.
But plaudits don't feed the bulldog. It may be a case not of someone profiting, but someone getting a bill in the mail. After all, someone has to keep deleting the Cybermoney posts!
In reply to And you, and all of the… by mikey12045
I do pay already, for a Pro account on musescore.com, amongst other things to have it ads free.
And BTW, it very frequently is me deleting those cybermoney posts...
Keeping the English and German forum as spam-free as I possibly can
Check out the Spanish and Russian forum: it is a Spam hell!
Yes, stop the ads. If not, I am no longer willing to provide answers or tips.
In reply to Yes, stop the ads. If not, I… by Pentatonus
You don't seem to live up to that promise...
I know it is tempting. Digital detox and cold turkey ;-)
In reply to You don't seem to live ip to… by Jojo-Schmitz
Advertisers must also be given the opportunity to remove it. This may not happen overnight.
I'm all for MuseGroups making money, that makes sense. There is paid staff and they need to keep the lights on. But advertisement banners .org forum and hawking wares in MuseScore Studio, that just seems cheap and looks ugly. Sadly the adds lead to a MuseHub products of questionable quality. And clearly it's alienating some stalwart forum volunteer contributors. MuseHub should be able to figure out how to market it's products without butting into .org or MuseScore itself.
MuseGroup (www.mu.se](https://www.mu.se)currently has revenue streams including:
• most everything on MuseScore.com
• plus a serous bump from all the "official" Hal Leonard scores
• plus MuseSounds (of which I am now increasingly leery and disappointed)
• Ultimate Guitar
• NotePad (which barely works AT ALL for note input on my M2 iPad)
...
Today's banner ad for Halbestunde's music scanning app sports an 80% price drop ($149 marked down to 29.99). Based on my experience with MuseHub/MuseSounds products I'm guessing this is still above what it's worth.
That said, for the same price, imagine the "value" of these MuseHub loops!. It's sad that MuseScore and MuseScore Studio are associated with sites that host so much garbage. use that first loop and you're courting being sued by the rights holder of the Mission Impossible theme.
Good stuff too I'm sure, but a curated selection would be in order. Otherwise MuseHub will become a festering pool like Audio.com.
I was already swithering (Scottish word for vacillating, hesitating, delaying making a decision) about dropping out of this forum, anyway, given that users of the .com website get directed to org, as do users of the program that have any problem. I might hang around to b(er)ate posters who annoy me, though.
In reply to I was already swithering … by underquark
OK, same here.
In reply to OK, same here. by Jojo-Schmitz
I do think they will not remove the add(s).
They do not care what we think. They do not care if users are happy.
I've just gone to the website of the publisher of this piece of ... ahem, software. At https://halbestunde.com/about/ they have a feedback form. I just completed it and informed them that users here are boycotting both MuseScore and their firm until advertising disappears from the musescore.org webpage. If you have the opportunity to inform them as well, do so. The more people who tell them that we don't appreciate their ad there, the more likely they are to pull it from Muse ... or, at least, from musescore.org.
In addition, communicate with others in music: contact the music department at your alma mater. Tell the music teacher at your local secondary school about it. Talk to the people who run your local music store.
Tell them that Halbestunde software is the worst and that they should not buy it!!!
In reply to I've just gone to the… by TheHutch
I don’t understand. Why are you contacting the software company, and not the admins of this forum?
In reply to I don’t understand. Why are… by mikey12045
Well, that company is most probably paying for that ad. If they get told that their ad annoys potential customers more than attract them, they may pull back...
In reply to Well, that company is most… by Jojo-Schmitz
Exactly! Tell them "I will never purchase anything from you and I will tell everyone I know not to purchase from you because you have allowed Muse to place your ads on musescore.org". This is how a "boycott" works.
I have been a supporter of this program at least as far back as .9 beta. I was very early in support of this software and was grateful for having access to it. I was a cheerleader for the the sociability of the forums and helped everyone and encouraged a kind, social response to questions.
I am appalled today to open the forums and see this gaudy, tasteless ad shoved into my face. The relentless grasp for more $$$ has destroyed much of value in this world; it would be very unfortunate if this software lost its great community. I hope the Musescore team wakes up.
Personally I will not participate any more, although my participation has greatly diminished since the release of 4.0 and it's poorly chosen path, replete with its errors and its wrest away from engraving.
I am saddened. No more recommendations, no more assistance.
In reply to I have been a supporter of… by xavierjazz
Your contributions to the forum are not worth losing because of a crappy ad!
+1
Stop ads now on .org
The strange part of this: while the product of that ad is available only for iOS and Android, the ad doesn't show on mobiles (not in Chrome on Android at least), but only in a browser of a PC (Edge on Windows 11 in my case).
So the ad doesn't even reach the targeted potential customers.
On the plus side: it doesn't additionaly restrict the already restricted space on the mobile devices...
In reply to Tre strange part of this:… by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm on chrome on desktop, and it came up in my browser today.
Really? Of all the things to be upset about, this is it?
I doubt that any user coming here for help, regardless of how they got here, really gives a rip about any ad they may see. Or that they will appreciate being made fun of. Interesting.
As to the quality of the product in the add, or that of what's on the HUB? That's going to be up to the user. There are plenty of people that think Sibelius and Dorico are awful. Many didn't like Finale. Many think MuseScore isn't any good. None of that is the point.
I admit I was slightly surprised when I first saw the ad. But I don't believe it's really worth such a fuss.
In reply to Really? Of all the things to… by bobjp
It's definitely a mania, unbearable with you. What's Sibelius doing here (and Dorico, and Finale)? We're talking about inserting an advertisement (the first time I've seen this on a MuseScore forum in more of ten years...), and it's absolutely unbearable... It has absolutely no place here. And please don't reply to us in order to lengthen the discussion (discussing anything and everything), as you are unfortunately accustomed to doing, it will give us all a vacation...
In reply to It's definitely a mania,… by cadiz1
Someone on this thread complained about the quality of the product in the ad. How come that was OK when it had nothing to do with the fact that there was an ad? I mentioned those products because there are people that don't like them, either. Sorry you missed the connection. And personal attacks have nothing to do with the ad.
How come it isn't OK to disagree with the premise of this thread? However I choose to do it.
In reply to Someone on this thread… by bobjp
"I admit I was slightly surprised when I first saw the ad. But I don't believe it's really worth such a fuss."
By writing these words, you have proved (but I didn't need this to know) that you understand absolutely nothing about the spirit of the MuseScore community. You're just not part of it. By the way, the Sibelius forum is over there...https://sibeliusforum.com/
In reply to "I admit I was slightly… by cadiz1
I never claimed to be a part of it. BTW, the community you speak of is so dedicated to MuseScore that now they want to leave. Interesting. As for the Sibelius forum? You continue to miss the point. Don't forget to post the Dorico forum. Sigh...
In reply to Really? Of all the things to… by bobjp
Actually bobjp, I agree with you. I think that most people would not "give a rip" about the ad. It's quite a common question on these forums as to how to import a score by document scanning, so the ad is at least relevant.
Personally, I'm not keen to see the commercialisation of .org and hope that this is not the thin end of the wedge. I'm very concerned that this is pushing some contributors into thinking about leaving. This would be really sad as the community of contributors, (you included), add so much value to MuseScore.
Personally, I couldn't care less if there are ads here but, of course, I am not one of the volunteers who dedicate many hours to improve the product in exchange for nothing, so I can understand their anger. And if this is going to lead to losing valuable people like Jojo and others who solve many questions for those of us who are more ignorant or inexperienced then I will ask whoever it is to please remove the ads.
In reply to Personally, I couldn't care… by Ruben Remus
+1
In reply to +1 by yonah_ag
It's hard to be sure what you mean, and I may be mysterious too, maybe I drank too much wine, and I'm seeing double...but I'm seeing 2!
In reply to It's hard to be sure what… by ILPEPITO
Replying to myself, I will try to be clearer. I am not very interested in the presence of ads (they can bother me when they are invasive, but nothing more): I would invite everyone to look carefully at this page and carefully count the number of ads present (and it is not just 1... unless I am privileged). Then think about it as you wish.
In reply to Personally, I couldn't care… by Ruben Remus
if this is going to lead to losing valuable people like Jojo and others who solve many questions for those of us who are more ignorant or inexperienced then I will ask whoever it is to please remove the ads.
I fully agree. Some of my favorite .org contributors have stated that they'll likely walk in protest!
Seems like this wouldn't need stating: When something so irritates a swath of faithful volunteers perhaps an alternate course of action could yield a positive outcome?
I'd like to see .com (and .org) ban MuseHub/MuseSounds ads. I don't have a purchased MuseSounds library that I feel good about—and it looks like the MuseHub's impetus is toward offer more of the same. After 2.5 years, why is this the state of play?
"Quality first." — Walter Demming
MuseHub should focus first on improving their MuseSounds products and provide real support. And maybe then look at a larger marketing campaign, elsewhere. Find other creative ways to advertise. Slather it on thick over at .com—commerce is their thing!
scorster
🙁
In reply to 🙁 by yonah_ag
No ads on chrome browser my android phone
In reply to No ads on chrome browser my… by SteveBlower
Indeed, I did mention that in this thread, the users on platforms that can actually use the product from that add won't get to see it. Utterly stupid and pointless.
In reply to Indeed, I did mention that… by Jojo-Schmitz
I get the ad on my Android tablet.
In reply to I get the ad on my Android… by yonah_ag
Same on my tablet.
In reply to I get the ad on my Android… by yonah_ag
Ok, strange, will check mine too, later
In reply to Ok, strange, will check mine… by Jojo-Schmitz
The (I must say, quite presumptuous) advert disappears once the browser window size gets below a certain width, which reorders things to make the page more mobile friendly.
In reply to The (I must say, quite… by Torges
Ah, indeed, if I use my mobile in landscape, I do see the add, but not in portrait
@jojo
Your contributions to the forum are not worth losing because of a crappy ad!
That would let musescore.com win at the expense of many of us.
Edit: Actually, I would direct this to all forum contributors.
Your contributions are what make these forums worthwhile.
Hurray, i managed to block this terrible ad on my browser.
In reply to Hurray, i managed to block… by Pentatonus
How?
In reply to How? by Jojo-Schmitz
I use Brave (Version 1.76.82 Chromium: 134.0.6998.178 ) on Linux Mint 22.1
I rightclick on the ad and get a menu where i can block elements of a website.
In reply to I use Brave (Version 1.76.82… by Pentatonus
uBlock Origin on Firefox or Chrome will block these unwanted elements.
In reply to uBlock Origin on Firefox or… by rothers
Thanks, that apparently works for Edge too
In reply to Thanks, that apparently… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ok, so with ublock origin I don't see that ad anymore.
But with this site having ads, and with that 'official spam', I don't see any sense anymore in me or anyone else trying to clean spam that users post here.
So y'all are going to see more and more of this, esp. those cybermoney posts...
In reply to Ok, so with ublock origin I… by Jojo-Schmitz
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In reply to I use Brave (Version 1.76.82… by Pentatonus
Rt. click also works on Firefox. Thanks for the tip.
In reply to Hurray, i managed to block… by Pentatonus
How?
In reply to Hurray, i managed to block… by Pentatonus
What browser are you using?
And, how?