Tie's with 1st and 2nd endings
When the last note before the ending is tied to the first note inside the ending, it works fine for the 1st ending, but on 2nd ending there is no tie, and the playback also play to seperate notes.
Any Ideas how to fix this?
Comments
Works with a workaround:
Add grace notes to the first chord of the second ending, add the ties, deselect "visible" and "play" for the grace notes in the inspector.
In reply to Works with a workaround:… by kuwitt
Surely works visually, but does it also play back right?
In reply to Surely works visually, but… by Jojo-Schmitz
With playback (and without grace notes use), see: 1Nevertheless - Print.mscz
In reply to With playback (and without … by cadiz1
Looks fine, but what did you do?
In reply to Looks fine, but what did you… by Niels Erik Nielsen 2
He tied with earlier notes of the same pitch and then visually shortene3d the ties, this was what I had in mind. But apparently the grace note method seems to sound fine too and seems easier to handle and less prone to layout glitches
In reply to He tied with earlier notes… by Jojo-Schmitz
Indeed, that's what I did.
But I am not agree when you say the grace note methode seems easier to handle. It's the opposite. We must add the grace notes, ties, uncheck the playback, and then the invisibility - partial, if not complete - for each element (notehead, stem, unless return to the inspector to remove the stem!). And in this file, it is necessary to renew all four times! This is a few manipulations.
With the method of the previous note of the same pitch, just add the tie, and edit (with Ctrl + arrow, it'is done easily and quickly), that's all or almost. You only have to add leading space before the first note of the second ending.
Ties, it's true, sometimes has a significant influence on the layout. But in this case, we are talking about four added ties. And I have not seen any particular impact here. But it's a point to consider, I agree.
There are, however, cases where it does not work. Perhaps others, but eg, if the tied note is already tied with the same previously note (this can happen). So, this case, we avoid! :)
But with a little habit, the most appropriate way will be quickly spotted.
In reply to Indeed, that's what I did… by cadiz1
I agree. What you did is quite straightforward. (Once you understand how it's done).
Not sure I understand why it works on the playback, but that's not so important.
In reply to Indeed, that's what I did… by cadiz1
Indeed, it's a case of habit ;-).
Alternative a similar workaround to your suggestion (if not the same ;) I can imagine this should work:
In reply to Indeed, it's a case of habit… by kuwitt
Forget my method. After a little bit more investigation there are in my opinion to much possibilities of glitches. For example open the attached file above. Select the C of beat two in measure seven in the treble clef and use the key arrow up or down to move that note.
After that I think at time the workaround with grace notes will contain less glitches.
In reply to Surely works visually, but… by Jojo-Schmitz
You don't think?
In reply to You don't think? by kuwitt
Hmm, OK, sounds right too (didn't check before, was on my mobile then)
In reply to Works with a workaround:… by kuwitt
I followed your method, added grace note & added the tie but how to deselect visible?
In reply to Works with a workaround:… by kuwitt
I managed to do it. Thanks
An easy solution is what I've demonstrated in the attached. Should play back and look good, with very little adjustment required.
In reply to An easy solution is what I… by LuuBluum
I do not think the ties should extend to before the repeat sign though; they are not part of the first ending after all.
I am sticking with the grace note trick.
In reply to I do not think the ties… by azumbrunn
So, to summarize, we have three methods/workarounds for now (others? no sure!)
Demonstration with the kuwitt's test file:
- grace note: 1tiesecondending.mscz
- previous note same pitch: 2tiesecondending.mscz
(to be used while being informed of the undesirable effects, but here, none)
- other voice (remembered by Ispil): 3tiesecondending.mscz
In reply to So, to summarize, we have… by cadiz1
I found at least one more. Makin g ekstra measures and adjusting the actual playback.
Changing the scope of the endings and hiding notes and barlines as necessary.
4tiesecondending.mscz
Note that for number 3 it is necessary to make thee note in the other voice 'not played' if is not same pitch as the last note in 1. ending.
In reply to I found at least one more… by Niels Erik Nielsen 2
Thank you so much Mr Niels Erik Nielsen for your effort to help my issue on "tie" with four solutions, I am using your 2nd method, it sound ok to me.
In reply to So, to summarize, we have… by cadiz1
Seems about time to put all this together in a How-to ;-)
In reply to Seems about time to put all… by Jojo-Schmitz
Done. Feel free to improve.
https://musescore.org/en/node/267614
In reply to Done. Feel free to improve… by Niels Erik Nielsen 2
Thanks!
In reply to I do not think the ties… by azumbrunn
You can adjust the ties trivially.