Problem with writing music over two staves
Hello!
Can someone help me in writing this piano part in Musescore? The problem for me is how to exactly divide the piano part over two staves as in the original?
Thanks a lot!
Regards,
Mario
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See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/cross-staff-notation
You have picked a very difficult score to notate. There are other issues besides cross-staff notation. You will need to make some rests invisible in the right hand and place the bass clefs in the measure for the right hand. I'll do the first measure + 1 beat and you can ask questions about what I did.
In reply to You have picked a very… by mike320
I know, but believe me, it gets much more difficult to read that manuscript.
You're great, thank you! I think I got it: I must put those 1/8 notes always in the treble, then hide the flag and connect the stems of left and right hand plus hiding the rests in the right hand?
Arpeggio: you mean I have to mark voice 1 in both hands to not play? And how do I get the both voice 1 chords in the same line? By cursor and setting it over the hidden one?
In reply to I know, but believe me, it… by mahler77
I put the chord in voice 2 by hand, with the arpeggio if you didn't notice. I pressed ctrl+alt+2 to get into voice 2, then I put in the 7 notes. I then chose the first bass measure and used the selection filter (F6) to un check voice 1 and make all of voice 2 invisible at once.
In reply to I put the chord in voice 2… by mike320
I think I got it
In reply to I think I got it by mahler77
I like what you did with the arpeggio symbol. I should have thought of that a long time ago. I always waste my time adding a second one.
If you open the score and see the corruption in measure 26, it's simple to get rid of. https://musescore.org/en/node/54721
In reply to I like what you did with the… by mike320
The problem about the measure 26 is that I don't know how to get the relation of 18 (12 is probably false by composer, I think, or otherwise, he meant this 12 not as a tuplet, but as 4 straight sixteenth notes on one fourth beat) sixteenth notes (one sixplet for a beat of one fourth note) to one dotted half note?
In reply to The problem about the… by mahler77
This is very unusual because in the previous measures such as 24 you put the relations as 6:6 and 12:12. I would need to see that part of the score, but my best guess is that the 1/4 and 1/2 notes should be dotted and have relations of 6:4 and 12:8. These are normal tuplet tremolos for violins and are consistent with the previous 3 measures.
In reply to This is very unusual because… by mike320
I don't think I really got your point about "1/4 and 1/2 notes should be dotted".
What I wanted to say, is: in the measures 24 and 25 there are tuplets (6 and 12) and both of them are tuplets whether over the 1/4 notes (sixplets) or 1/2 notes (twelveplets) and exactly that is the reason why theses tuplets are in 1/16 notes, because otherwise that couldn't be possible.
IMO, there are only two possibilities:
1) The composer wanted to signalize that over those dotted 1/2 note 12 1/16 notes are to be played, normally, not as tuplets.
2) If not, than he made a mistake and wrote a 12 instead of 18, if he wanted the violin to play sixplets.
I attached the manuscript of those measures.
In reply to I don't think I really got… by mahler77
I'm trying to put this in a way that is clear. I'l start with how to make MuseScore look like the manuscript. Use a dotted 1/2 note and make the tuplet relation 12:12 just as you did with the 1/2 note. MuseScore gets confused when it sees this and doesn't play it right.
If I ran across the notations in the manuscript, I would be confused also. A half note cannot be divided into 12 as indicated by the tuplet mark, but a dotted 1/2 note can. After I gave it some thought, I would probably consider it a typo and play the 1/2 as a dotted 1/2 (played as a 12-let 16th notes), the 1/4 as a dotted 1/4 (played as sextuplet 16th notes) and the dotted 1/2 has a dotted whole note (played as a combination of the dotted 1/2 and dotted 1/4) to make it make sense. This would have the effect of playing sextuplet 1/16th notes for each beat in regular 3/4 time. This is consistent with what is written out in measure 23 (the 1/8th notes with a single line tremolo mark) and measure 24 (where you forgot the tremolo marks in the triplet).
Here is a visualization of what I'm trying to explain.