8va clef?
I was wondering if there's any way to change the clef to an 8va treble clef to change the octave on any instrument I want. I have a pan flute I want to have higher, but it seems to be stuck with a normal treble clef no matter what I do.
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Just drag the desired clef onto the measure where you wand it to start (see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/clef), then select all measures following it (see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/selection-modes#range-select) and use Ctrl+Up/Down to move the notes into the right octave (see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/keyboard-shortcuts#pitch)
In reply to Just drag the desired clef by Jojo-Schmitz
But the 8va clef doesn't appear to be in the list of clefs. It seems it's only attached to certain instruments.
In reply to But the 8va clef doesn't by Graz Hero
Are you using "Basic" palettes? Switch to "Advanced" and you will be able to access more clefs.
In reply to But the 8va clef doesn't by Graz Hero
Read https://musescore.org/en/handbook/clef again: that clef is in the advanced Workspace, not in the (Default) Basic Workspace. See also https://musescore.org/en/handbook/palette#workspaces
In reply to Read by Jojo-Schmitz
So-slo Jojo (but your reply was more informative).
In reply to So-slo Jojo (but your reply by underquark
Collecting those extra Infos take time ;-)
In reply to Read by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks! I'm still new to this.
You can also consider keeping the normal clef but setting the playback transposition for the staff to be an octave higher (or lower) via right click / Staff Properties.
In reply to You can also consider keeping by Marc Sabatella
I've just gone into Format | Style | Ottava and unticked Numbers Only, but the ottava clefs still do not display "va" or "vb" after the number. I'm using version 3.0.5.5992. Does anyone have a solution?
In reply to I've just gone into Format |… by JackBombeeck
Select the Ottava line, open Inspector, add text
In reply to I've just gone into Format |… by JackBombeeck
Select (click on it) any "ottava" into your score,
Right click on it.
Click: Select => "All similar elements".
Open the inspector and
Go to the very bottom of the inspector window.
Clear the "[v] only numbers" checkbox.
all done.
In reply to Select (click on it) any … by Ziya Mete Demircan
This all for the ottava lines, but i want the clef symbol so say 8va in stead of just 8. Is this possible?
In reply to This all for the ottava… by JackBombeeck
Clef? Drag it from palette?
In reply to Clef? Drag it from palette? … by Shoichi
This is precisely what I did, but the text remains just '8' i stead of '8va'. Hence the question
In reply to This is precisely what I did… by JackBombeeck
But for the octave line, did you try it from inspector, as mentioned above?
In reply to This all for the ottava… by JackBombeeck
These clefs are designed in this way in and comes from standard fonts (Bravura, Emmentaler, etc).
I guess there's no way to change it.
Also, It is very clear for me: If the number's positions is the top of the clef it says to octave-up, If It's the bottom of the clef it says to octave-down.
I don't recommend it in any way but if you need it, you should:
Once you've finished writing your work, you can manually add "va" or "vb" or "ba" text one by one.
However, make sure that you don't need to make any changes on to these measures in the future.
In reply to These clefs are designed in… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Ah, that explains a lot (so no bug or missing feature...). It's just that my eye-sight isn't very good and I find the 8 at the bottom of the clef hard to see, that's all - 8va is easier to see. Just having it on the first clef of the appropriate staff of the piece would be a help, so I'll add text there that lines up with the clef-sign. Everyone, thanks for your help.
In reply to Ah, that explains a lot (so… by JackBombeeck
like this:
In reply to like this: by JackBombeeck
Good :)
In reply to like this: by JackBombeeck
The thing is, that clef shouldn't normally be used anywhere that it isn't already completely understood. For example, when writing for guitar, we know the top space E is the highest string on the guitar regardless of whether someone includes the "8". Or, when writing for soprano recorder or piccolo, we know the "C" on a ledger line just below the staff means the lowest note on the instrument regardless of the presence of the "8", etc. There aren't supposed to be cases where you actually play the same music differently depending on whether that clef is used or not. Or, said another way, you aren't supposed to use that clef in situations where its presence actually changes the meaning. It's just a choice of whether or not you prefer to have the "8" as a reminder the music is transposed an octave.
In reply to The thing is, that clef… by Marc Sabatella
It's not unusual in complex recent piano music to switch between normal and octave-transposed clefs. Here's an example (see the bottom system of p. 3): http://www.chrisdench.com/sites/default/files/ks.pdf
Octave-transposed clefs are also important to clarify the sounding pitch when a score is printed in concert pitch. However, the standard form is to attach a lone "8" above or below, without va/vb. Suggestion to JackBombeeck: have you tried switching to a different one of the music fonts provided with MuseScore (Bravura, Emmentaler, Gonville)? You might find a more legible choice...
In reply to It's not unusual in complex… by PaulSC
I understand, and agree as well: it should have no impact on how the piece is played, but acts as a reminder to the reader. In my case there were 2 flute parts (just called flute1 and flute2), and the top flute was intended to be one that plays an octave higher (yes, clef with '8' above not below, but i was just testing the possibilities earlier). I hadn't chosen an appropriate instrument, but thought to indicate it this way. Trying to change the font for a clef with better readability is indeed an option - haven't checked it out yet.
In reply to I understand, and agree as… by JackBombeeck
If it's for flute, I would highly recommend not doing this, then - it's just not common and will likely confuse anyone reading the chart, not just you (many won't even know what the symbol means if they did see it).
In reply to I understand, and agree as… by JackBombeeck
A flautist want to see 8 ledger lines rather than a 8va clef. The 8va clef will cause mayhem and confusion. Flautists actually prefer ledger lines to an ottava (the line with the 8va above the staff), but know what those mean.
In actuality, about the only performers who don't mind an 8va clef are musicians who transpose exactly 1 octave, but the notes are written on the correct line still, like most of the guitar staves in MuseScore. In these cases the 8va clef handles the transposition.
When I first started writing music for the Viola, I would use the 8vb treble clef so I could keep track of the notes I was writing and see my chords with other instruments at a glance. I've since learned to pay attention to the alto clef notes of the viola and some trombones and the tenor clef notes used by many bass clef instruments.
In reply to A flautist want to see 8… by mike320
The near unreadable copy of the copy of the copy of the original score had a comment near the clef that said '1st flute 8va', which is wat prompted the idea in my head to (ab)use the clef for it, while trying to recreate a readable score (not for myself - i don't play flute, which is why i don't really know what flautists want to see...). Your comments have been most instructional, thank you :-)
In reply to The near unreadable copy of… by JackBombeeck
The note you mention is not normal, but quite understandable on a conductor's score. Such short cuts on a conductor's score are more common that they should be in my opinion. The musician's part in this case would no doubt be annotated in a way the flautist would like, that is the first flute would have everything written an octave higher as they expect.