Extending a note into a tuplet
Hi all, I just started learning musescore and i'm trying to get used to it by transcribing the sheet music for rachamaninoff's moment musicaux op 16 no 4. I have a question about how dot notation works.
95% of the left hand in this piece is 16th sextuplets. the original sheet music is doing this weird thing:
which, for the right hand, I don't think is actually valid. what I have to do in order to match the timing of that measure is this:
basically it looks like the original author used the dot notation to extend notes into tuplets, even though the rest of the measure is just 4/4...is it possible to express this in musescore? or is what I'm doing the right way to do it?
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You have only two dots on your minim. Serge has 3. That would make it minim+crotchet+quaver+semi quaver, leaving one semiquaver needed to complete the 4th beat. Or in US term half+quarter+eighth+16th = 3 3/4 beats leaving 1/4 beat to be filled by the eighth note.
In reply to You have only two dots on… by SteveBlower
right that's what i'm asking about, three dots gives me 1/4 beat but what i actually need at the end of the measure is 1/6 beat. right now I use two dots to get 1/2 beat at the end, then split that into a triplet and put the last 16th at the end so it counts as 1/6
In reply to right that's what i'm asking… by pikajude
There is nothing in the right hand that says it is a sextuplet. I think it really is a semiquaver. And can I actually see a slight offset of the last note in the right hand to the left of the final note in the right hand?
In reply to There is nothing in the… by SteveBlower
maybe not that one, but i think elsewhere in the piece they're supposed to be sextuplets. attached is another excerpt. the semiquavers in this one are definitely aligned with the last 16th in the tuplet. any ideas?
In reply to maybe not that one, but i… by pikajude
Unless the tempo is v-e-r-y slow I would think that a player would not be able to make a distinction between a regular semiquaver and a sextuplet one in this case and even if they did, the listener would not notice. My guess is that Mr R used a slightly inaccurate notation for the sake of simplicity. In order to notate it as a sextuplet he would have had to do something like you have tried.
In reply to Unless the tempo is v-e-r-y… by SteveBlower
ok! that makes sense, thank you for clarifying.
In reply to ok! that makes sense, thank… by pikajude
And if you would like the final notes to line up visually {but not actually play at the same time} you can select the note and play with its position using the inspector.
A triple dotted 1/2 note would leave a 16th note left over in a 4/4 measure. The triple dot can be found in the advanced palette, basic stops at 2 dots.
In reply to The triple dot can be found… by mike320
thanks, but the 16th note is then placed between notes 23 and 24 of the left hand, when i think the sheet music is indicating that it's meant to be played simultaneously with the 24th note.
In reply to thanks, but the 16th note is… by pikajude
The difference between the locations are so close it would be very likely that an engraver would line up the notes. These were engraved by hand back then rather than having the benefit of a computer to place the notes precisely where they belong in time like happens in notation programs such as MuseScore.
I suspect most musicians would make the fudge in playing it and play the notes at the same time. This is likely the intention of the composer, but what you are requesting is impossible to notate correctly. There is no tuplet that will allow you to put dots on a 1/2 or 1/4 note and line up with the last note of a 6th-let.
In reply to The difference between the… by mike320
ok, that makes sense. thank you for the help
In reply to ok, that makes sense. thank… by pikajude
One viable solution is to make a triplet of 32nd notes and then hide the tuple number and first rest. Playback won't be an issue because of the pedaling, and it would be normal to play so anyways. The benefit here is that the last sixteenth-note will align - as with the old-timers' engraving - with the lower staff's last note.
E.g.:
![rachnotes.png]( "rachnotes.png")
In reply to Another option is to make a… by worldwideweary
wow this actually works perfectly, and looks accurate to the source material as well. thanks so much!
In reply to Another option is to make a… by worldwideweary
Clever!
And if one wanted to be pedantic about playback, one could replace the demi-semi rest with a note tied to the triple dotted minim and make the tie and demi-semi note invisible.