Musescore + Hauptwerk = skipping notes
I am trying to play the MIDI output from Musescore with Hauptwerk (following this tutorial: https://musescore.org/en/node/270844) and for the most part everything works great, but for some reason if there are too many notes at the same time, the software can't handle it. I don't know whether the problem lies with Musescore, Hauptwerk or even loopMidi, but some notes are just not played (the normal Musescore playing sound works properly though). You can hear it clearly in the file I uploaded at measure 13. It just skips the lower C.
I appreciate any reply.
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How do you have these staves and channels routed? What virtual organ are you using (I'm on a Mac, can't duplicate your Windows results). What happens if you create a midi file, and feed that to Hauptwerk? What happens with my supplied St. Anne demo files?
I think we can figure this out (btw, your piece is really in E minor, not D minor, and most of the accidentals are notated incorrect (enharmonic)).
In reply to How do you have these staves… by [DELETED] 1831606
Are your notes coming out on the manuals and pedals you expect? Your mixer settings put the manuals on channel 1, and the bassoon/pedal on channel 2. On Hauptwerk organs, the pedal is channel 1 (0 binary) and first manual up channel 2 (1 binary). Have you changed the channel assignments in the Hauptwerk midi control dialogs? By the way, here is your fugue notated correctly.
MSHauptProb1.mscz
In reply to Are your notes coming out on… by [DELETED] 1831606
The channels are routed correctly (the organ to the great and basson to the pedal which works as intended as I don't need the swell), I am using St. Annes' and I have noticed one more thing: the more registers are pulled the more likely it is that a note is not played. So if I use tutti it is pretty likely that with 3 voiced a note is going to get skipped but with just 2 registers pulled it works pretty much correctly. I just tried putting it in a midi file and playing it with Hauptwerk. Where there were more than 2 voices, a lot of notes were skipped on tutti and with just one register only some notes were skipped (but they were still skipped which is a problem). Thanks for your reply though (and the extra effort of correcting my piece. I just put the piece in G minor (where it started) and then was too lazy to change the key signature on key changes. I never understood the "correct" way of notating accidentals though. Could you explain that?)
In reply to The channels are routed… by cruill
This isn't making much sense that it's dependent on the registration. I have recorded 4-voiced music via Hauptwerk direct via Midi Out (e.g. https://musescore.com/bsg/fuga19_03_15 ) without problem. Is it possible that your computer is not of sufficient power (cpu or RAM) for Hauptwerk? How much RAM have you?
The issue of the correct notation of music is, to paraphrase Fermat, too large for the margins of this page. Note that there are three signature changes in my re-typeset of your fugue, G minor at the beginning, A minor at M 6, and E minor at m. 13. No, it is too large to even begin to explain. I'm not trying to be useless, but that's the best I can do in this little box. Notes have functional roles as degrees in a scale. F# appears in the key of E minor, and Gb does not, etc.
In reply to This isn't making much sense… by [DELETED] 1831606
My RAM is 16 gigs and I have a decent CPU (Ryzen 5 2600x) but doesn't the free version have some kind of limit on how much is loaded into RAM? (No, I think I get it, but what if that key change was not to E minor but to Fb minor :D? The D minor in the beginning was my bad, I meant it to be G minor)
In reply to The channels are routed… by cruill
Could it be that I am reaching some kind of register limit of the free version of Hauptwerk?
16 gig certainly should be enough. The Free version loads St Anne's fully; St. Anne's is not that much. I assume that the smiley ":D" means you understand why no music is written in Fb minor. Let me think of more tests we can perform to locate the problem better. (In fact, many Baroque pieces we would characterize as in G minor (e.g., the violin sonata BWV 1001) have only 1 flat in the key signature because of relics of modal tonalities). But your fugue does not stick to its alleged key very well, and wanders without constraint. Fugue writers long ago figured out how not to let that happen by the "tonal answer" system -- look it up.
In reply to 16 gig certainly should be… by [DELETED] 1831606
Ok, I get it, but do you have any more ideas for the problem with Hauptwerk?
In reply to Ok, I get it, but do you… by cruill
I've never heard of a register limit. I don't have my license key plugged into the Mac right now, but it's easy enough for me to try St Anne with all registers selected in that state -- the Free performance is at issue... let me investigate that. Have you succeeded in playing Hauptwerk via a midi keyboard? That would CERTAINLY limit the problem (and those are inexpensive enough, and would prove or disprove seeming limitations on concurrency).
In reply to I've never heard of a… by [DELETED] 1831606
Sorry, I just tried Hauptwerk Free, and it says "limit to 256 simultaneous pipes". I find it hard to believe that a 4-voiced chord could reach that, even with mixtures, at St Anne's, but so much for the theory that there is no limit. Maybe that's "256 pipes on all loaded registers, not necessarily playing". Let me experiment with that.
In reply to Sorry, I just tried… by [DELETED] 1831606
Yeah, 256 pipes is about 4 and some 61-note stops ... that's grim.
In reply to Yeah, 256 pipes is about 4… by [DELETED] 1831606
2 pedal stops = 64 pipes. So you get 2 pedal stops and one manual stop each manual (in Free mode). An obvious test now is to restart HW in one of the "evaluate" (triangle chime) modes and see if the problems disappear.
In reply to Yeah, 256 pipes is about 4… by [DELETED] 1831606
Ok, confirmed it with my digital piano too (have only tried that out once and not on tutti). Thanks for your help though, now I know the problem and am considering buying at least the basic version (btw I like your fugue that you sent)
In reply to Ok, confirmed it with my… by cruill
Glad you like my fugue (I have many), pls check out my now many scores here....Real Hauptwerk is sensational (but be prepared to spend many many times that much on keyboard, pedals, amplifiers, etc etc).