Transfer notes from upper clef (treble) to bass clef in piano score
I imported a score for piano via musicxml from capella, which leaves me with some problems. In the second and third lines I didn't write out the right hand, so the upper staff should be empty, and the bass notes should be in the lower staff, as in capella. I actually deleted the right hand staff there to save space.
Musescore 3.2.3+dfsg 1-4build1 (Ubuntu focal/amd64) put the bass notes into the upper stave, adding a bass clef and some seemingly invisible rests and leaves the lower staff empty.
If in the second line I select the first to last bass notes, these notes plus the lower staff are highlighted. If I copy and then paste to the bass staff the notes from the upper staff are gone, and nothing appears in the lower staff.
If I select the first to last (invisible) rest, these are highlighted (in addition, there's a blue border around the bars), and when I try to ctrl+x and paste that to the lower staff, rests appear.
So, what do I do? I can of course retype the notes into the bass and then delete the treble staff (can I? when I tried, going to "instruments", the line disappeared from the complete score. To add or delete a staff in an individual line should be easy to find, but too hidden for me), but I would prefer to copy and paste. Can anybody help, please? Thank You!
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Most probably unrelated to the issue at hand: MuseScore 3.2.3 is very outdated, 3.6.2 is the latest version and since Januray last year already.
Just use copy/cut and paste to move the notes from the treble clef staff to the bass clef staff.
Also swap voices, so the notes are in voice 1, then delete the voice 2 rests rather than making them invisible
Once done use Format > Style > Score > Hide emty staves
In reply to Most probably unrelated to… by Jojo-Schmitz
Actually, the absence of measure rests (even greyed out invisible ones) in the lower stave seems to indicate that the bass notes have been moved using cross staff notation See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/cross-staff-notation. To move them to the lower stave select the measures in the (empty) lower stave and press CTRL+SHIFT+Down Arrow. If that doesn't work, please attach your score as something else is going on.
In reply to Actually, the absence of… by SteveBlower
Ah, yes, good catch, I missed that.
In reply to Actually, the absence of… by SteveBlower
Hi, yeah, that did it, great! I'll try to read up on that in the handbook, but... obvious places in the menu or handbook, where a capella-user would have searched never got me anywhere.
Now I yet have to find out, how to make the (empty) upper staff invisible or delete it (in an individual line). I am used to a workflow, where I can add or delete staves or voices anywhere I want, or for a complete score..
Thank You!
In reply to Hi, yeah, that did it, great… by uliM0856
"but... obvious places in the menu or handbook, where a capella-user would have searched never got me anywhere."
Well, you only have the MuseScore handbook here and that is not going to tell you much about what Capella did with that score. Perhaps look in the Capella handbook to find out why Capella moved the lower stave notes to the upper stave. If you wanted to achieve in MuseScore what Capella did, you would find it under "Cross-staff Notation" in the "Advanced" section of the handbook as indicated in that link.
In reply to "but... obvious places in… by SteveBlower
Of course you are absolutely right, and of course I should expect the workflow in musescore to be different from capella (or sibelius or what have you).
But I have no idea if the transfer of the lower stave notes took place when I exported the file in capella to musicxml, or during the import-process in musescore. All I wanted to see was, if I can import such a file and then continue working on it in musescore, and thanks to your help I'll keep trying!
In reply to Of course you are absolutely… by uliM0856
Feel free to share the MusicXML for inspection
In reply to Of course you are absolutely… by uliM0856
Earlier you wrote:
I imported a score for piano via musicxml from capella...
I actually deleted the right hand staff there to save space.
Regarding correct transfer...
What happens if you do not delete the right hand staff (treble) in capella when exporting in capella to musicxml, then importing into MuseScore?
In reply to Most probably unrelated to… by Jojo-Schmitz
Hi Jojo Schmitz, I'm terribly sorry, but this doesn't help me. I managed to update to 3.6.2, but when doing copy/cut and paste to the bass clef, the result remains the same as I have tried to describe in my original post. When swapping voices, the notes still remain in the top staff, but turn green. They just don't move to the left hand staff... If I repeat the paste-command, the notes are doubled... in the treble clef staff.
I tried to add a note in the bass clef, then copy the notes in the treble clef, do ctrl+x, but - guess what: the single note in the bass is included, and when I paste to the bass clef, the single note shows up there, but the rest remains in the upper staff. It seems, the two staff are, maybe due to the importing-process, so tied up with each other, that they are unseparable.
In reply to Hi, I'm terribly sorry, but… by uliM0856
Yes, I missed that cross-staff thing. Just move the notes back to the staff they originaly belong to as per the above instructions. Then make the invisible rests visible and also remove that little bass clef. Then use Hide empty staves