1,3 + 2,4 voltas
Dear all,
I've been reading quite a lot in previous discussions about repeat voltas but unfortunately I'm still quite confused.
I am trying to create alternate endings A, B, A, B. I am using voltas for doing this (is that the best way to do it?).
The notation I achieve looks correct for a human buy the playback messes it up.
I'm using version 2.1.0 revision 871c8ce.
Repeating endings A, B, A, B should lead (if I am right) to having the 'A' measure with a 1,3 volta and the B measure with 2,4 like in the attached:
The first-repeat measure (A) should have its play count set to 4, and the second-repeat measure (B) set to 2. Is this correct?
If this was all correct, the playback should play:
repeat section + A, repeat section + B, repeat section + A, repeat section + B
And it instead plays:
repeat section + A, repeat section and then simultaneously repeat section and B
What am I doing wrong?
Is Muse Score able to play 1,3 + 2, 4 voltas?
Any help will be much appreciated. Thank you!
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Comments
What are the voltas' repeat lists looking like?
In reply to What are the voltas' repeat… by Jojo-Schmitz
they are set as 1, 3 the first and 2, 4 the second - right like the visible text shows
thanks for your prompt response!
In reply to they are set as 1, 3 the… by athiieh
Try 1 for the 2nd volta
First you have to put 2 repetitions , not 4.
You need segno ans coda cause after the jump to the beginning you only have ONE reading not TWO you can have teh third times but not the fourth
test_Adri2.mscz
In reply to First you have to put 2… by Raymond Wicquart
thanks for your prompt response too.
segno and coda - I'm new to these; I'll explore
why is it that I can't have the fourth repetition?
is that a limitation of Muse Score?
In reply to thanks for your prompt… by athiieh
It's a limit of MuseScore because it's not normal notation.
In reply to It's a limit of MuseScore… by mike320
I see - thank you very much to everyone
In reply to It's a limit of MuseScore… by mike320
Well, "not normal" is a bit too much, it is just too complex for MuseScore currently.
In reply to It's a limit of MuseScore… by mike320
"not normal" ?? I have tons of scores with this kind of repeats (in printed edition I mean, not in MuseScore)
In reply to "not normal" ?? I have tons… by frfancha
I never said nonexistent, just it's not considered normal musical notation.
In reply to I never said nonexistent,… by mike320
By whom?
In reply to By whom? by frfancha
The better question is who teaches it as a normal use of voltas? All references I've seen in music teaching does not allow for the second volta to be played randomly such as the 2nd and 4th time through in the given example.
Does that mean I would be upset if this behavior were supported by MuseScore? No, I just would never use it.
In reply to The better question is who… by mike320
It is completely obvious how those are supposed to be played, just too complex for MuseScore for some strange reasons
In reply to The better question is who… by mike320
I want to say something about this:
Music engraving is a tradition. It is also necessary to get used to and familiarize with how it is.
Volta's are used together with the repeat sign. Typical use is 1. (prima) and 2. (seconda) And the second one is open. Sometimes 1,2. and 3. are used. and in most cases the last one is open.
1,3. and 2,4. are not common. Because it contains a ping pong effect. With two (separate) end-repeat signs.
It is sometimes used by publishing houses to shorten the number of pages. (as seen in some pop-music fakebooks)
After all: We can write, save and print those with MuseScore. But do not expect all of it (traffic) to be played correctly.
It is not forbidden: Theoretically we can write two voltas like 1,3,4,6,9 and 2,5,7,8,10
But please stay theoretically. :)
Some of the users want to use volta's in different places: at beginning, in the middle, etc...
It is not possible to use a articulations, techniques, repeat-marks, lines, articulations, etc. in any desired part. (eg: D.C. or "to coda" repeat marks at the beginning of the score. crescendo on rest sign?)
You cannot use them anywhere and in any way just because they exist. (Or because you want it to be that way.)
In reply to I want to say something… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Hello everyone,
This is an exciting debate and one that is totally new to me.
I just wanted to say that all traditions evolve - otherwise we'd be speaking Latin, or some ancient Anglo-Saxon language (or perhaps some form of verbal communication that appeared even before). And musical notation would look like it did in the Renaissance or even earlier.
Traditions are good and languages are based on convention: users need to be in agreement about the meaning of each symbol and the general structure. At the same time, times, people and human expressions change and languages need to be flexible to incorporate these to keep on being useful. Otherwise they remain only tradition, not a language anymore.
Thank you again to everyone for your prompt and thorough responses.
In reply to Hello everyone,… by athiieh
I forgot to write how to solve the problem (workaround) :)
Unfolded. It's easy to follow. It can be played.
Also, not in very common use. But it's easy to understand.