Multiple repeats
I'm struggling to find how to put multiple repeats (for a bass line) into a score. The manual gives only one way - right click on the last measure, and choose Measure properties - and that seems wrong, as right clicking opens up Bar properties, not Measure properties.
Anybody know a way that works?
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"Bar" is British English for the American English term "Measure". The handbook is written in American English
In reply to "Bar" is British English for… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks you, Jojo.
That does indeed seem to work.
But the number of repeats doesn't show on the page; nor does it seem to be reflected in the bar count (measure count); so I think there is some further step I need to take?
In reply to Thanks you, Jojo. That does… by Robbie Johnson
It only shows on bars that do have an end repeat barline (and only makes sense on those)
In reply to It only shows on bars that… by Jojo-Schmitz
Hmmm.. On this piece (it's Piazzola's 'Libertango') I do have many bars with a repeat bar line at both beginning and end; but still nothing to tell the number of repeats.
In reply to Hmmm.. On this piece (it's… by Robbie Johnson
Since we can't see the score the best we can do is guess. The composer probably inserted the repeats as symbols rather than bar lines. The option to change the play count is only there if you actually insert a repeat bar line from the bar lines palette.
In reply to Since we can't see the score… by mike320
Well, thanks for your help so far, guys. I've got all the repeats entered now, and all were inserted from the bar lines palette. I've written it all out myself, on Musecore, from the printed original; it's not a score I'd copied electronically, so there won't be any hidden coding.
But as uts now finished, with the exception of the repeat numbers and the full bar numbering, I can at least add it here for you to take a look at.......
In reply to Well, thanks for your help… by Robbie Johnson
OK, written using MuseScore 2. Difference: the play count is in every measure's properties (but still affects those with ane end reprat barline only).
So see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/measure-operations#properties and https://musescore.org/en/handbook/measure-operations#repeat-count
Changing the repeat count is not changing the measure numbers and is not shown on the score at all, it is just for playback. If you want to tell the musician how often to play (really ony needed when different from 2, the default), use staff text. If you want the measure numbers to reflect this, use measure properties and https://musescore.org/en/handbook/measure-operations#add-to-measure-num…
In reply to Well, thanks for your help… by Robbie Johnson
Whoever notated this score did a very poor job, ignoring good practices, like using repeat barlines for single measures. My first choice would be to write this out with no repeats. My second choice would be to use the measure repeat symbol in the jumps and repeats palette that looks like a %. The measure count would then be as you like with no need to adjust the measure properties.
If this was your decision, don't be offended, it's just not in line with normal notation practices.
In reply to Whoever notated this score… by mike320
Like this
In reply to Like this by Jojo-Schmitz
Mike and Jojo, I appreciate that you are trying to be helpful. But it would be particularly helpful if you could turn your attentions to the question I actually asked: how do I get the number of repeats to show in the score? Or do I take it that you are saying that this just isn't possible?
In reply to Mike and Jojo, I appreciate… by Robbie Johnson
You have to use staff text and enter them with that way. There is no automated way to do this.
In reply to Mike and Jojo, I appreciate… by Robbie Johnson
I did, using staff text.
In reply to I did, using staff text. by Jojo-Schmitz
Staff text. So that was the answer.
Thanks, guys.
Will320, the baritone sax needs both hands to play the E and the D; which makes turning pages awkard. Hence I wanted to try to get all the music on one page, but without shrinking the whole score to the point where it was hard to read. Granted the sheer number of repetitions here, using repeats was an unconventional but still promising way to do this. But I still needed to identify the number or repetitions.
There is often a good reason to try non-normal ways to write.
In reply to Staff text. So that was the… by Robbie Johnson
I guess you're talking to me. I played the Bari Sax more than any other instrument. If you gave that score to me without all of the repeats, I wouldn't dream of turning pages, even if it were printed on front and back. I would use the copying machine and put both pages face up on the stand. I would much prefer having it expanded than the condensed version you are creating. There is always a way to do it using standard notation.
If you gave me your version today, I would enter it into MuseScore using standard notation and print it out so it's easier to follow rather than trying to keep up with how many times I've played a single measure. BTW, I would use the print every note method since there are so few repetitions of a measure at a time. I would also put courtesy accidentals in measure 12, 17 & 25 to ensure there was no doubt that you change from C# to C. If I were handed this as is, I would ask to verify the notes in those measures.
One final thing, you can play D & E using only your left hand using alternate fingerings so it's possible to use your right hand to turn pages if necessary between measures 21 and 26, though as I said, I would make copies to avoid any page turn or alternate fingering on this or any score up to 3 pages where a page turn is not easy. The most difficult measure to turn the page in would be the currently written measure 24 since there are no keys pressed and nothing to stabilize the instrument.
In reply to I guess you're talking to me… by mike320
It's always good to come across another Bari player - especially here on MuseScore.
I've played in the past in several contemporary music ensembles, so I guess I am more comfortable than most with unconventional scoring. But I'd just wanted to try a new approach, partly to economise on space, but also because I find counting repeats in my mind is easier than bobbing across the page with my eyes - especially when we can get eight or more repeats, which I do find harder to read.
The original printed score for the Bari part runs to three pages. Its quite possible to tape them together to make a 3-page spread; but since we do sometimes pay in the open air, the wind can play havoc with a great width of paper, so I was looking for an alternative.
But what puzzled me was why I wasn't seeing the option of multiple repeats; nor, when you and Jojo had pinted out where to find that feature, why it then didn't show the number on screen (I'm prety sure earlier versions of MUse score did show this; but I may be remembering wrong...) Anyway, now I do know how to show them, if not automatically, at least by manual entry in staff text.
So lastly, whilst I have you in conversation: if you can show me how to play a low register E and D without using the right hand, so I can turn the pages, I'd be rather keen to know how?
In reply to It's always good to come… by Robbie Johnson
As for the numbers, you are probably thinking of voltas, which are impossible with what you are doing right now. They are not totally automatic, but are easy for the user to enter from the lines palette and especially easy to edit now that the properties are in the inspector.
To play the D and E using only the left hand, use the same fingering as you would an octave higher, but omit the octave key. It does take practice to remove your right hand from the instrument and keep it steady since you don't have a good grip on the instrument when you do this. This is much easier on an alto sax.