Assigning Instruments
Having more problems here - I don't know if it's this program or something else in my 'system' causing erratic occurrences/changes, so I suspect that what happens (in the score) is not always what's Supposed to happen! Anyway, my question has two parts:
1. How does a voice's 'instrument' get changed (accidentally)? and
2. How do you change it back? I assume that a voice's instrument stays with it (when getting 'exchanged'); in one score, whether I select Voice 1 or Voice 2, and change the instrument (in Mixer>Sound field), it changes both voices. In another score, there is one 'part' that I cannot change, even after Exchanging w/ other voice. I found a 'workaround' - going to Staff/part properties and selecting [general] instrument ("Voice") but it changed the (treble) Clef to one without the '8' ('octave' - used in Barbershop) plus, I couldn't choose a specific instrument. So, back to my question(s) - is there a way to change instrument of one voice? I'm sure this is done in orchestral scores. I've attached a score this time!
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I meant to add: 1. The 'workaround' in Staff/Part properties changed both voices (expected) and 2. In the attached score, I couldn't change the voice in the upper staff which starts G - B - E. (It has a brass instrument assigned, and I want "Choir aahs" (or something else)
If (and only if) an instrument has more than one channel in its instruments defintion (as per instruments.xml or via a 'handmade' template), like Trumpet (open/mute), Violin (arco/pizzicate/tremolo), and infact those (singing) voices from the Barbershop template (tenor/lead, bari/bass), you can indeed assign voices (1.4) to those channels, and then in mixer assign different instruments to those channels.
Done for both in the attached.
BTW: better use the '...expr.' version or sounds, to have the ability for single note dynamics
In reply to If (and only if) an… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo - I've never tried anything with "Channels." Can you provide the steps/procedure for doing this? (using Voice 1 and 2 in each staff) Thanks
In reply to Jojo - I've never tried… by gldodge
Don't know what you mean in your last sentence there.
In reply to Jojo - I've never tried… by gldodge
Yiu did use channels in your score, you did assign viices to them in both staves and did assign different sounds to them for the top staff, so you aopparently know how it works. Anyway, it is described in https://musescore.org/en/handbook/mixer#mid-staff-change
My score does it for voices 2 and 4 too and also for the bottom staff too, and furthermore uses the expressive versions of the sounds "Trombone expr." and "Tuba expr."
In reply to Yiu did use channels in your… by Jojo-Schmitz
"Yiu did use channels..." If it was 'incidental,' okay, but I Never selected 'Channels' for anything.
I do Not want to change the sound of an instrument; nor do I want to "Change Instrument" as is done in Staff/Part Properties - this changes both voices in the staff. I asked for a way to change One voice, although Staff/Part Will work if I want both voices the same. So - 1. IS there a difference in Channel and Voice? (In the 'Channel' field of the Mixer, it shows a Voice that I assigned.) 2. In Mixer, why is Name editable, but Channel is not? 3. If I knew how to change Name and Channel, I think it would solve my problem!
In reply to "Yiu did use channels..." … by gldodge
What exactly do you want then? If you want to have one voice (1-4) of a staff (voice/volac or not) to have a different sound than the others, what I described abobe (and you did for the top staff already) is exactly the way to go.
That last step is not needed (because done for you automatically) for instruments like trumete and violon and its channels.
Instead or additionaly to that last step you can also control the volume or panning of those channels. Or their mute/solo status
In reply to What exactly do you want… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo - Did you read my last reply to you? I asked two specific questions that I would like answers to. And, there are questions prior to that which you evidently didn't notice. Other than that, you said, "you did for the top staff already" - What I did was either make both voices the same, or changed the one voice indicated by "Channel" in the Mixer. I could NOT change any other voice in the two staves. And, without answers to the previous questions, I can't understand this last reply.
In reply to Jojo - Did you read my last… by gldodge
If my reply didn't answer your questions, I guess I didn't understand your questions. And still don't
In reply to If my reply didn't answer… by Jojo-Schmitz
So - in your reply dated Mar 2 --07:50, you stated "you can indeed assign voices (1.4) to those channels, and then in mixer assign different instruments to those channels" and you can't tell me the procedure for doing this, like I asked??
In reply to So - in your reply dated Mar… by gldodge
I did, in great detail
In reply to I did, in great detail by Jojo-Schmitz
If that's what you believe, then save us both a lot of time and don't try answering any more of my questions.
I'm sorry, I hate to sound rude, but that's the way I feel.
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In reply to Do I understand your… by AndreasKågedal
Andreas- (What happened to your message to me??) I Do know the difference in Instrument and Voice. I think I just noticed in the Mixer how it could have happened: The Channel indicated in the Mixer is the voice that gets changed when selecting an instrument from the list there. I would think that (Name, Channel info)
would change by selecting a different voice in the Score. (It doesn't for me) So, (See #3 above) And tell me this if you can: Why is the instrument list labeled 'Sound' ? (Probably because it's shorter!)
In reply to Andreas- (What happened to… by gldodge
(Anyone -?) The name of the UPPER staff (in attachment) is TENOR LEAD - but I'm in the Lower Staff - Does this look right??
In reply to (Anyone -?) The name of… by gldodge
That's Bari Bass
In reply to That's Bari Bass by Jojo-Schmitz
Again, you apparently don't understand my question!
In reply to Again, you apparently don't… by gldodge
When I said I'm IN the Lower staff, I didn't think it necessary to name it.
In reply to When I said I'm IN the Lower… by gldodge
That left mixer entry is for the top staff. If you want to see the channels, click on the arrow in the top-right corner.
Same for the other mixer entry, to see those for Bari/Bass
In reply to When I said I'm IN the Lower… by gldodge
I was pointing out that the Mixer did Not reflect the Staff selected.
I'll be unavailable from now until a few hours later.
In reply to I was pointing out that the… by gldodge
It indeed does not. Top staff, leftmost mixer entry, bottom staff, rightmost mixer entry
In reply to It indeed does not. Top… by Jojo-Schmitz
Did you not look at my attachment above? I have no "other" Mixer entry;
the rightmost side of the Mixer is MIDI settings.
In reply to Did you not look at my… by gldodge
I did look at it. There are 2 mixer entries, you selected the leftmost in the bottom section of that dialog, so it shows the settings for that in the upper section
In reply to I did. There are 2 mixer… by Jojo-Schmitz
I didn't select anything - I hit F10 to show the Mixer.
In reply to I didn't select anything - … by gldodge
Whatever, the leftmost mixer entry is selected (for you)
In reply to Whatever, the leftmost mixer… by Jojo-Schmitz
A is selected. It is the mixer for the uppre staff.
Jojo tells you to select B if you want to see the mixer for the bottom staff
In reply to [inline:Musescore 2020-03-04… by AndreasKågedal
Thanks! That clarifies a lot.
In reply to [inline:Musescore 2020-03-04… by AndreasKågedal
Thanks again for the Visual - keep up the good work.
In reply to Again, you apparently don't… by gldodge
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